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Post subject: New firmware bug, or is it just mine? Can someone try this?
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:03 am
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I have a request. If you or anyone else with the new firmware could try this i'd appreciate it. Mine had a serious issue since i updated I'd like to know if it's just mine of if this is a bug in the new firmware. In case you aren't aware of how the quick access mode and preset modes work, quick access can be set in the menu (under "footswitch then "MS4") so that buttons 2, 3 and 4 can select any 3 patches you want. Say for example, slots 2, 56, and 12. Preset mode selects 3 patches in order in groups of 3. So you hit buttons 1 and 2 at the same time to go down in groups of 3 and buttons 3 and 4 to go up.

The problem i have is this. If i set the quick access to any to any 3 patches and set the preset mode to any group of three, after i switch modes from preset mode to any other, once i go back to it it then will mimic QA mode's patches. In other words, lets say i set preset mode to select 1, 2 and 3 and quick access to select 4, 9 and 15. When i scroll thru the modes that causes preset mode to now select the same 4, 9 and 15 as quick access more. I can set preset back to 1, 2 and 3 and it WILL do that, But as soon as i leave the preset mode, next time i go back to it, it's again mimicing QA mode's selections.

As a second issue, and if someone has the EXP1 also could you try this too. When both are plugged in, buttons 3 and 4 on the MS4 footswitch are randomly changing the EXP back and fourth from volume mode to EXP mode. I can't even use my footswitch and EXP now, so please if someone can check this i'd appreciate it because if the same thing happens to your i will know it will be fixed. If it's just me i will know to force the update again to eliminate a bad update and if that doesn't do it i will know my footswitch may be bad. Thanks.

EDIT: i may be wrong about it mimicing QA mode. Instead it still changes but not always to the exact same patches as QA mode. I just tried it again and this time i noticed it took the middle patch that i set in QA mode, which was 32, and changed preset mode to 31, 32 and 33. So it's basically changing preset mode to something else based on the patches QA mode is set to in any case. This time i noticed when i started the amp, and the amp always defaults to preset mode, preset mode was displaying correctly as patches 1,2 and 3. But again, soon as i scroll thru the modes then back to it it starts going back to something based on QA mode.


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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 7:55 am
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oczad, I would urge you to (also) send reports like this directly to Support. I'm sure they would love to know this, and sort it out. I am still waiting for my 4-button pedal, they are not due to end of September. I don't know how different they are to the current ones, if at all, but they are only 2/3 price here in the UK. Just got an EXP-1 and I'll be trying out tomorrow. I'll only be using it for volume swell. Yes, I know it does all those other things but they are of no interest to me. If it is half as good as my old Morley optical swell pedal, I'll be happy.


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Post subject: Re: New firmware bug, or is it just mine? Can someone try th
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 8:50 am
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Naaa, don't need to.....just found out it;s the switch thats got a problem, not the amp. I tried it in my MIII V2 and it it doesn't work right in that amp now either. Oh well....another $60 down the tubes.


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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:21 am
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oczad wrote:
Naaa, don't need to.....just found out it;s the switch thats got a problem, not the amp. I tried it in my MIII V2 and it it doesn't work right in that amp now either. Oh well....another $60 down the tubes.


Can't you just get a replacement switch and solder it in yourself?


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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 9:55 am
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It isn't the switch after all. The way the issue manifested itself with the old switch was that the mode switch would not change out of the effects mode. It hit me to check the utility and sure enough i had set it to be locked in effects mode. So the switch is good after all so what i initially said is true. And again, if someone can check this for me id appreciate it. I also made Brett at fender aware of the issue. But i;d like to see if others have it too. I may just force an update again see if that helps.

EDIT: Just did a forced update and n change. This has pretty much GOT to be a bug in the firmware. Please, if someone can try this...

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oczad wrote:
Naaa, don't need to.....just found out it;s the switch thats got a problem, not the amp. I tried it in my MIII V2 and it it doesn't work right in that amp now either. Oh well....another $60 down the tubes.


Can't you just get a replacement switch and solder it in yourself?


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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:25 pm
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I haven't got mu GT-100 yet but in the release notes there was a mention that you could use the footswitch to toggle through presets in a set list, could this have something to do with it?


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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:50 pm
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Nit unless it's a bug in the firmware that is associated with that feature and it somehow affects the preset or QA modes. I never used or made a setlist so it's definately not due to anything i did along those lines. I;ll have a look at the manual tho.....maybe theres something in there in respect to that which might give a clue.


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Post subject: Re: New firmware bug, or is it just mine? Can someone try th
Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 1:59 pm
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Well, looks like it;s NOT a bug. I looked in the manual and read the part on preset mode and notice it''s normal You can set preset mode to any bank of three presets that can be accessed by buttons 1 2 and 3. It goes in banks, IE: 1/2/3, 4/5/6, 7/8/9. And lets say you got o quick access mode and have that set to 1/2/3. No matter what bank you were last on when in preset mode, coming from QA mode and say your one preset 2, it will see that and automatically make the preset mode go to the bank that #2 is in, or in other words, to bank 1/2/3.

I wanted to use QA mode to access 1/2/3 and preset mode to access 4/5/6. Can't do it. I could use preset mode only but i don't want to do that because stepping on 2 buttons simultaneously is impossible since i modded my switch by putting a longer housing under the switch on my pedal board to house 4 momentary footswitches (soldered to the switches on the fender circuit board) that i could space further apart. So now i don't accidentally hit 2 buttons at once as used to always happen, but i also can;t step on two art once on purpose as i would need to in preset mode to access 4/5/6.

I LOVE LOVE LOVE this amp, but man do they ever need to improve the switching situation, not just in function put button spacing.


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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 4:21 pm
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I guess there's no money in providing a better foot controller.It was suggested a long time ago.

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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 5:10 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
I guess there's no money in providing a better foot controller.It was suggested a long time ago.

I think most companies buy a stock controller from a 3rd party and put thier own logo and labeling on them and maybe just make thier own case, buying only a generic board. After all, they are configured in the amp as to what they want it to do. I saw a blackstar 4 button somewhere and the housing was different but you could tell it was the same guts as the mustang's. Same switches and all the same LED and LCD locations. You could see it was the same. I assume development of that along with the amp would just be too costly to compete. It's like the all "american" harley davidson.....probably 40% of the bike is comprised of generic asian parts. They basically build the frame and engine and source all else from asian catalogs. They;re already way overpriced. How would they fare if they had to design and build the whole bike? My triumph is the same. English frame and engine, the forks, wheels lighting, ignition, shocks, etc etc ....all asian sourced. Thats how fender and everyone else does it too. This ain't your daddy's USA no more ! I'll tell you this tho...i'd have paid a lot more for this amp if they had far better switching. But i'm likely in the minority.


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Posted: Thu Jun 29, 2017 6:45 pm
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stratocaster1983 wrote:
Just got an EXP-1 and I'll be trying out tomorrow. I'll only be using it for volume swell. Yes, I know it does all those other things but they are of no interest to me. If it is half as good as my old Morley optical swell pedal, I'll be happy.

I hear you but just wanted to add, when I bought my Mustang Floor I discovered delay swells and let me tell you............................

Never mind,... words cannot describe; you would have to hear it or just try it before you discount the expression pedal for other uses with different patches but I totally understand different strokes for different folks and their style preference in music.

I also have a very old Morley Volume/ Wah that I just love. Cool thing I discovered was when there are two nine volt batteries in it sounds pretty good. If you add AC power it sounds even better with a tad more voltage, but if you add this behemoth and massive wall wart that I discovered through trial and error that gives you the maximum this pedal can take it is ridiculously and remarkably a complete different beast that kicks total and complete butt. I can say butt here on this forum cant I? Carry on! <g>

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 5:16 am
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oczad wrote:
I think most companies buy a stock controller from a 3rd party and put thier own logo and labeling on them and maybe just make thier own case, buying only a generic board.

both of the footswitches in the link use MIDI interface. If Fender had gone with MIDI for the controller interface, you could buy any 3rd party MIDI controller and it should work. But then they might not be able to sell you a pedal. Fender corp. favors profits over customer satisfaction.

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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:31 am
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strings10927 wrote:
both of the footswitches in the link use MIDI interface. If Fender had gone with MIDI for the controller interface, you could buy any 3rd party MIDI controller and it should work. But then they might not be able to sell you a pedal. Fender corp. favors profits over customer satisfaction.


Did you tray MIDI footswitches? I mean with other, comaptible amps.

IMHO: MIDI in theory is a great standard. In practice it can be a can of worms. And very often you need to know something about how MIDI works. Do not underestimate your knowledge if you are already familiar with it. It can be tricky for beginners.

My first "dedicated" footswitch I got for my Kemper. Bringing it up and alive was so much easier than the various MIDI controllers and switches I used before. Same was true for my Fender footswitch for the GT - even though its much simpler than the Kemper's and hence offers less benefit over a MIDI solution.


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Posted: Thu Jul 13, 2017 7:30 pm
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I used MIDI for a long time (as indicated in the thread I linked above).

But back when I was figuring it out, there was very little information available on the Internet. You had to read these things called "Manuals". They were made of actual paper and arranged as a booklet. You may have seen pictures of them on Google.

If it's too complicated for people to figure out now that every equipment manufacturer has a dedicated website and there are thousands of tutorials on YouTube..... well that's kind of sad.

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Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:35 am
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strings10927 wrote:
I used MIDI for a long time (as indicated in the thread I linked above).

But back when I was figuring it out, there was very little information available on the Internet. You had to read these things called "Manuals". They were made of actual paper and arranged as a booklet. You may have seen pictures of them on Google.

If it's too complicated for people to figure out now that every equipment manufacturer has a dedicated website and there are thousands of tutorials on YouTube..... well that's kind of sad.


Bad boy! 8)

Of course you are right. I started at a time when comunication between drum machine and synth was just an analog trigger. Then MIDI showed up and it was a great new world. Finally they agreed on standards like GM or which controller channel should do what. Things got easier and you already mentioned all the tutorials nowbeing available.

But still: I love not to need a manual for connecting and using a well designed dedicated foot switch like the Kemper is.


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