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Post subject: I KNOW WE ALL BEEN ASKING A BUNCH BUT FIRMARE UPDATE SOON?!
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:26 pm
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I know Brad and Fender have been working tirelessly answering out posts and trying to help us all with the glitches we are dealing with using the Mustang GT, I actually did a show with it and it did great sound wise, it kept up with a huge bass amp and barley needed cranked and didn't need to be ran through the PA, " I have the GT100", I am experiencing the same issues as everyone else, especially with the App, Volume with the headphones and Aux Input, and then the preset issues. I think most of us that stuck with the amp through all this hear the amps potential, but without the app working and only having a four-button foot switch you are very limited in the stomp effects you want to use. This could be fixed with the use of tablets instead of stomp on a switch you would use you hands in the right spot I suppose, but obviously with the app always disconnecting and sometimes my app just shut down it cant be trusted live as of now.

With all that being said, can Brad or anyone else tell us loyal and patient owners of the GT " that didn't bail and return it over the glitches" when the firmware update will be available. I've called fender weeks ago and was told few weeks and on this site few weeks ago was told few weeks, can management or whoever please give us more of and exact date or estimation of round about date they will be done and release it. I do not buy into the people saying there isn't one coming. Fender has a great amp I think if you are truly open and unbiased about it. I loved my tubed amps but this amp can sound amazing once dialed in. But I am getting frustrated defending Fender so much an getting just told the most vague info, in all fairness I think we should be given a little more details for riding out the storm with this cause it has been very frustrating for everyone. I think we all would be a little more at ease and confident in our purchase if we were told more about the updates and it release time.

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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 2:45 pm
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Every day, I start up my GT100 with the encoder button held down. It tells me that it is searching for updates, then it tells me that it is downloading updates and my heart skips. Then, the thrill of disappointment as it informs me that there are no updates after all. How cruel is this?


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Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:40 pm
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stratocaster1983 wrote:
Every day, I start up my GT100 with the encoder button held down. It tells me that it is searching for updates, then it tells me that it is downloading updates and my heart skips. Then, the thrill of disappointment as it informs me that there are no updates after all. How cruel is this?


LMAO!!! I've done the same thing, stratocaster1983, several times.

I'll watch the little download screen and wait, thinking that maybe today is the day when the sound quality on my '200 will be improved, even by just a little bit.

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Post subject: Re: I KNOW WE ALL BEEN ASKING A BUNCH BUT FIRMARE UPDATE SOO
Posted: Sun Jun 18, 2017 10:43 pm
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I totally agree.
I'm also sure of the potential of the amp, specially for Blues.
I understand that Fender team need time to fix/develop/improve the Amp and then the App.
But it is frustrating the Fender doesn't provide a plan.
I am an IT manager and I can't understand that there is no short term roadmap/plan.

Dear Fender manager can you provide an estimated date for the next firmware of the amp, the next update of the Android App and the avaibility of a Windows-pc version ? And what will be the content of them ?
I know that you can't insure the date, but at least a range of date.
It can less frustrating to know when and what we will receive soon or mid-term.


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Post subject: Re: I KNOW WE ALL BEEN ASKING A BUNCH BUT FIRMARE UPDATE SOO
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 5:26 am
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Bluesdom wrote:
I understand that Fender team need time to fix/develop/improve the Amp and then the App.

Some think the majority of that time should be before you start shipping it. Delaying releases is not something unheard of.

It's infeasible that Fender didn't know about the majority of problems beforehand, which leads to the question of why they released it.
Did development and QA mislead management about the status of the product? If so, heads must be rolling.
Did sales and marketing have the ability to override the objections of QA and development? If so, it's an organizational problem that goes up to CxO level.
Is the company's financial status so dire that they couldn't afford a delay? If not accounting for that possibility during the planning phase, it is a problem that goes all the way up to the very top.
In any case, there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

This hurts Fender's reputation. What's built in fifty years takes far less time to knock down. Independent reviewers with no beef against Fender, and who have endorsed earlier products like the Mustang v1/v2 give scathing reviews. Customers give scathing reviews. Even with the product being new (which traditionally gives higher ratings due to newness and people not having discovered all the flaws before posting reviews), the Tone app has what must be near a record low for any app from a well-known company, with 1.8 out of 5 stars. That's downright abysmal, and it should never have been released in that state.
And it's not just the software either. Users and reviewers complain about the fake stereo and how it appears to attenuate some frequencies through what's speculated to be phase shifting. How it doesn't take a boosted signal well. How the distortion effects fail to impress.

I hope Fender manages to salvage this. But then they better step up the game. It will take more than band-aids.


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Post subject: Re: I KNOW WE ALL BEEN ASKING A BUNCH BUT FIRMARE UPDATE SOO
Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 6:45 am
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arth1 wrote:
Bluesdom wrote:
I understand that Fender team need time to fix/develop/improve the Amp and then the App.

Some think the majority of that time should be before you start shipping it. Delaying releases is not something unheard of.

It's infeasible that Fender didn't know about the majority of problems beforehand, which leads to the question of why they released it.
Did development and QA mislead management about the status of the product? If so, heads must be rolling.
Did sales and marketing have the ability to override the objections of QA and development? If so, it's an organizational problem that goes up to CxO level.
Is the company's financial status so dire that they couldn't afford a delay? If not accounting for that possibility during the planning phase, it is a problem that goes all the way up to the very top.
In any case, there's something rotten in the state of Denmark.

This hurts Fender's reputation. What's built in fifty years takes far less time to knock down. Independent reviewers with no beef against Fender, and who have endorsed earlier products like the Mustang v1/v2 give scathing reviews. Customers give scathing reviews. Even with the product being new (which traditionally gives higher ratings due to newness and people not having discovered all the flaws before posting reviews), the Tone app has what must be near a record low for any app from a well-known company, with 1.8 out of 5 stars. That's downright abysmal, and it should never have been released in that state.
And it's not just the software either. Users and reviewers complain about the fake stereo and how it appears to attenuate some frequencies through what's speculated to be phase shifting. How it doesn't take a boosted signal well. How the distortion effects fail to impress.

I hope Fender manages to salvage this. But then they better step up the game. It will take more than band-aids.


I really had high hopes for the amp and I'm a huge Mustang 2 fan as a matter of fact it's the amp that convinced me that modeling isn't so bad after all. I've shut up and stayed in the background but I get the feeling they really don't care and expect us to take our investments on the chin and sit waiting patiently while the firmware hasn't been updated in over a month, the app is still dismal and there seems to be little communication except appeasement. I know they've heard enough complaining but every week that goes by I think to myself "are you kidding me?"


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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:49 am
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Some think the majority of that time should be before you start shipping it.


Unfortunately, that is par for the course for software products. I can cite Windows, MacOS, Linux and there are a host of others, where the hardware is up and running but the software trickles out over a, sometimes quite long, period of time. Likewise, Nikon and Canon cameras and scanners, HP, Canon and Epson printers. They are all launched with less than optimal functionality. And, can I also mention that they shelve driver development when new models come out too. I have an A2 Epson professional printer but the drivers don't work with any modern OS even though it is perfectly functional otherwise.

It is an unfortunate fact of life. Luckily we don't have to beta test cars and planes.


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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:34 am
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The voice of reason ! You are one of the few to recognize what is as you put it, "an unfortunate fact of life". I said it recently but i'll say it again. Look at PC games as an analogy. EVERY SINGLE GAME that is released not only has bugs, but most have so many there are HOARDS of people on forums swearing never again will they buy a game from said developer. What the game devs always do is recruit 1000's or beta testers for months before release, but while that cuts the amount of bugs down it cannot cut then down to almost nothing except in a small percentage of games that just got lucky.

So why doesn't fender do the same? Gee, i wonder. Free amps to several 1000 beta testers? Yeah, right. The FACT is, and it IS a fact, theres no way a few people at fender can test 1000's of amps for long periods to find the bugs that might affect a small percent. As stratocaster1983 said, it;s an unfortunate fact of life. They also can't see into the future and know what users will hate/like. To SOME degree yes, but not in all ways. I DO think they dropped the ball feature wise in some ways that i feel should have been obvious. But they're human and not perfect and dealing with the release of an amp thats so much more complicated than a simple tube amp it would not be cost effective for them to spend years more than this on development unless they could charge 3 or 4 times the price. And then the naysayers would be complaining about the cost ! Fender just can;t win because spoiled consumers want the impossible and can't see past their own desires for total perfection to THEM. I feel for fender in this endeavor because common sense and logic IMO points to a no win situation for them. Look at what you get for 400 bucks. You can buy this for the cost of a couple boutique pedals and stop crying about a few things that bother you and just revel in the endless great tones it can make, of go spend 6-8 times as much for a one channel boutique tube amp with no effects and 5 knobs/one sound. Spoiled doesn't even begin to describe it. Sorry naysayers, you can come at me with all your reasoning but i've already heard it and it;s foolish gibberish. I for one am a little disappointed with the GT in some ways, but in others i'm utterly stoked. But then, i'm not spoiled....i recognize the realities of the situation and i'm thrilled to have such great tones even if it took some time to get them and i have to live with some features i'm not thrilled with. A few issues for 24 models many of which sound amazing with the right settings and a ton of built in effects in a 22 Lb package? I guess i'm just not so spoiled that i can;t recognize how much i got for so little. Bring it on naysayers, you won't convince me to hate what i love and your answers are of no interest to me.

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Some think the majority of that time should be before you start shipping it.


Unfortunately, that is par for the course for software products. I can cite Windows, MacOS, Linux and there are a host of others, where the hardware is up and running but the software trickles out over a, sometimes quite long, period of time. Likewise, Nikon and Canon cameras and scanners, HP, Canon and Epson printers. They are all launched with less than optimal functionality. And, can I also mention that they shelve driver development when new models come out too. I have an A2 Epson professional printer but the drivers don't work with any modern OS even though it is perfectly functional otherwise.

It is an unfortunate fact of life. Luckily we don't have to beta test cars and planes.


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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 9:54 am
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So why doesn't fender do the same? Gee, i wonder. Free amps to several 1000 beta testers? Yeah, right. The FACT is, and it IS a fact, theres no way a few people at fender can test 1000's of amps for long periods to find the bugs that might affect a small percent.

The problem isn't the bugs that might affect a small number of people and is only discovered in the field. The problem is what affects nearly everyone and which they must have known about. It's not about finding new issues, but fixing known ones.

Again, a 1.8 on a scale of 1-5 (which equates to 2.0 on a scale from 0-10) is so spectacularly bad that comparing with video games is ridiculous. A game from a major vendor is called a failure if it gets less than 7 out of 10 score.


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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 7:56 pm
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I am glad I got some mustang owners who think a little like myself, yeah a lot can be said about Fender and there mistakes and blagh blagh, But when I looked at the nuts an bolts aspect of it, even with all the bugs some of the tones you can get out of the Mustang GT are amazing. There are certain channels where you just turn your nose up to it like "what was that?!" but other its like double checking to make sure it doesn't have tubes. I have about 3-4 channels I use for Live and recording, they are just fine sounding to me for the price and I love all the effects on this one I feel like "maybe minus the distortion stompboxes" they all are much better. Yes, I have to admit the glitchy app bugs me to no end and I almost never use it ive gotten use to just using the amps interface for now " I realize that's something we shouldn't have to deal with" but I know fender will fix most of the app, saving presets, and all the bugs they hear most about. What worries me is 1. When can we expect an update 2. after the next update will they just give in. I hope Fender doesn't buy into most the crap with people just spewing hate. Cause tone and sound wise these are great! personally I love dialing in am amp how I like it so spending time getting my tone how I want it is fun. I played a gig with it and it really performed well I mean really well. Fender hopefully doesn't just run away from this GT cause in my opinion they have much more to gain then lose by giving in. Most customers who returned it will be either rebuying it "in which case makes more money off of that person" or more people will buy then amp once bugs are fixed cause sound wise this amp is right there with some of its pre sets. Idk what others are saying sound wise unless they just got a bad egg so to speak cause I love my GT I just want it to become fully functional cause with just a 4 button footswitch the app can come in really handy on stage for more effects on your chain and controlling them through and ipad or tablet whatever the case obviously you couldn't trust the amps app now but I hope soon!!!!

CAN WE PLEASE HAVE AN UPDATE BRAD OR ANYONE WITH INSIDE KNOWLEDGE ON THE FIRMWARE UPDATE?!?! IF YOU STILL CAN SAY YOU HAVE A MUSTANG GT, YOU DESERVE A LITTLE MORE INFO FOR STICKING WITH THIS AMP!!!

I don't want to give in, I already will take a hit taking it back if I do, since Im past the mark on return. Although if fender cant fix this maybe we can return the amp an get our money back on amp.... But I did just talk to Fender and the Rep I talked to claimed that management is hoping for the end of this work week, or beginning of next week to release the first of "MANY" updates, he claimed that Fender is fully invested to the success of this amp there is no other amp in the works he claims for at least another two years, so hopefully good news for us who stuck this ordeal out. Hopefully most of our problems are solved soon! Who knows if you can really trust customer support and what they say but this dude seemed pretty legit on what he was saying. We will see what the end of the week brings.


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Posted: Mon Jun 19, 2017 8:28 pm
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But I did just talk to Fender and the Rep I talked to claimed that management is hoping for the end of this work week, or beginning of next week to release the first of "MANY" updates, he claimed that Fender is fully invested to the success of this amp there is no other amp in the works he claims for at least another two years, so hopefully good news for us who stuck this ordeal out.


Thats great to hear ! I'm anxious for the save feature thats coming, i really need that. And also curious what else they may include. The ability to have disable/enable of each mode would be the other thing i'd really love so fingers are crossed for that. But thats icing.

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Hopefully most of our problems are solved soon! Who knows if you can really trust customer support and what they say but this dude seemed pretty legit on what he was saying. We will see what the end of the week brings.


I think it's likely most everything that people are asking for in numbers will happen eventually. Those who doubt it IMO don't look at it from the proper perspective. That being that for the better part of 10 years the mustang line has been fenders best selling amp line. Logic therefore dictates that it's obviously not going to be something they will take lightly. Anyone who thinks they will just let thier best selling amp line just drop off the face of the earth is void of common sense or just cynical to a fault. Was the rep u talked to Brett? I've been in contact with him a lot in the past month due to the issue i went thru and have traded many emails and have many phone conversations with him and at my age i believe i have learned to read people quite well thank you. His concern with the GT line is very obvious.

By the way, as time goes on and i have picked more models to spend time with and see what they are capable of i'm honestly....well....what adjective can i even use? Blown away? Amazed? Floored? Really, you can't use any of them online anymore because they have been so overused they don't man anything anymore. But whatever one you wanna use that DOES still have meaning, put it right here because i honestly AM ____________ by some of the sounds i'm getting. I've had nearly every marshall made thru the 80;s and into the 90's, a bunch of fenders and some boutiques and the list goes on and on. I never thought i would say this even tho i've been singing it's praises since i got it about 6 weeks ago, but at this point i kid you not i'm getting some tones i feel are better then anything of thier type i've gotten out of all those amps over the years. It's sorta spooky. At first i thought the amp wasn't great and even thought i might be returning it and keeping my MIII. At this point that notion is comical. It's not even close. You really have to know certain settings that are more important than they first appear, and you MUST MUST MUST break in that speaker. The difference in the feel when new and when broken in is nite and day. It can......no.....it DOES make or break the amp. It became dead obvious to me when they replaced mine under warranty and i was back to having a new speaker over nite. It's not subtle. It's not a sound thing tho, like i said it's feel. The amp feels like a crappy old school solid state amp when the speaker is new and feels like that squishy goodness of a great tube amp when broken in.


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Posted: Wed Jun 21, 2017 3:12 am
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I couldn't agree more with the breaking in of the speaker!!! That's a great call I did not mention yet that's made such a hhhuugggeeee difference.. I've done one show, small bar, didn't even come close to needing miced and didn't even have to turn up more then halfway... an the praise I got from fellow Musicians in the audience was a great feeling. My band was an opening act, and the band that followed us were all wondering what amp I had been using. When telling them it was digital it was quite the expression to see! Prob the same look I had when I heard it. Sound wise itll lose standing next to a real $1000 tubed amp just calling it like it is... but how close it comes for half the price "I
Own the GT100" is remarkable. I've been a tubed amp guy my whole life, but with needing other equipment as well right now this mustang gt was a great great investment. I owned the III and I was scared for a minute I screwed up when trading it in, but now sound wise I couldn't be happier, and the effects as mentioned work so much better then any other mustang. All of them are better! I've talked to a guy named Chris and Mark but I can't be sure who it was, I do think was the other one rep I spoke to Chris and I had a long 30 min talk about the mustang gt and it's future talking specifies and much like you said I feel like I can judge a person whether they are just feeding you a scripted line, and both reps seemed knowledgeable about the mustang gt and about what might be coming our way. I'm glad I've stuck with the amp, cause the app hardware glitches will be fixed I have a good faith that'll happen very soon. But what I love is that they will update the sound quality more an more as time goes on. I mentioned to the rep I was nervous that fender wouldn't put as much into this or one update would
Come an not very many more. The rep says this is the amp right now on the top the work docket at fender. There will not be any other mustang even blue printed for another two years, he Mentioned that's how fender like to operate somewhat, so that gives a good sign to the mustang gt owners who are toughing it through the frustrations like myself cuz they hear potential in this amp! I'm really excited i Hope we really do see the update soon like the rep said we've waited long Enough! I'm hearing new features will be available as well so I guess along with The bug fixes there was a always a plan to release a new features update after the release of the amp.. I wonder what we have in store... come on update!!!!!


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Sound wise itll lose standing next to a real $1000 tubed amp just calling it like it is...


This is the only thing i don't agree with. I have had many $1000+ amps, some a lot more. And i can honestly say that it on average hangs with them. When i say on average there were some that i agree had a more organic sound. But some were not as good in some regards, some in NO regards. And overall if considering all things none could compete given the fact they all had one basic sound and no effects.I mean, one of them might sound a bit more organics but then the mustang can switch to another model thats very different many times over. I also find the degree of harmonic complexity with some models/settings is actually MORE that nearly every tube amp I've had ! The only area i would agree with you on this is total clean set models. I say "clean set" instead of just clean because i feel the cleans i get with a overdriven sound with some of the models by rolling my treble bleed equipped fenders down is fantastic and in some cases better then most of the tube amps i have had. But the models set with a very clean sound, thats where tubes i feel have the advantage, and mostly in feel more then tone. It's very good, but IMO a great clean like a good fender is something i have yet to hear matched by the GT or the old mustangs. But those cleans you get by rolling back the guitar are great.

In all, i don't feel you can just assume every tube amp at $1000 and up will sound better in general (or even most for that matter) because i've just gotten some sounds out of this thing that i honestly feel are the best of their type I've gotten. I never had a fender tweed, at least not an original, so i can't really judge. But the overdive tone i get with the tweed champ model just reeks of ZZ top's early stuff with literally as good a feel as i have ever gotten from the best tubes i've owned and harmonic complexity thats off the charts. I can't see getting better. And the early breakup sounds i get with the 65 deluxe are just utterly succulent. The list goes in and on and some are better then most tube amps i've owned. So in short, some great tube amps may have a slightly better sound in some ways, but not all and IMO not many till you get well over $1000. But in the end it's all dependent on the person using it and how good he is in getting the best out of it because unlike tube amps these things have so much variability they have even more potential for sounding less than stellar then more than. Tube amps are already tuned for you with the knobs offering what amounts to fine tuning. For whatever reason, both mustangs i have had came with stock presets that aren't even close to sounding and feeling good enough for me to consider owning them and certainly not close to thier potential. Thats where i think fender needs to focus on to sell more of these. No matter how many or few good features they have, if the tone isn't just killin' when someone plugs in for the first time there are going to be a lot of people who will plug in and get a very bad initial impression compared to a good tube amp. And you know what they say about first impressions ! Broken in speaker and presets tuned to the amps real potential=killer amp.


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In all, i don't feel you can just assume every tube amp at $1000 and up will sound better in general (or even most for that matter)

I don't think it's as much whether it's "better", but different. And they are. Much as an electric guitar is a different animal from an acoustic guitar.
There are things you can do with a digital amp that you can't do with a tube amp, and likewise things that you cannot do with a digital amp.
I like to ride the "sweet spot", where the guitar volume is set just below break-up, and when I hit a string just a tiny bit harder, I get harmonic break-up without any volume increase. That doesn't happen the same way in any digital amps.
Or I stand closer to the speakers, and use my body position to control the feedback and whether that induces break-up or not. With a digital amp, you just get more feedback, and it doesn't react the same way at all.

There's room for both types of amps, but a modeling amp is no more capable of doing what specific tube amps can do than an electric violin is capable of simulating what a real fiddle can do. Different strokes, different instruments.


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I like to ride the "sweet spot", where the guitar volume is set just below break-up, and when I hit a string just a tiny bit harder, I get harmonic break-up without any volume increase. That doesn't happen the same way in any digital amps.


Well, amazingly for once i pretty much agree with much of what you said, tho not so much with the above. I am the same as far as that sweet spot you speak of, and in fact i spend most of my time there with my guitar between 4 and 7. But i don't agree digital can't do that. The GT does it VERY well when set right to do so, and thats the #1 thing i aim for when i create a patch. If i can't get that i move on to a different model or use that patch for only gain tones with guitar on 10 sounds like the tweed. Some, maybe even most of the models in the GT don't. But many do it and some really well. Some of the ones that don't are models of tube amps that don't do that well in the first place. If there were none that did this well i wouldn't be using the GT, trust me. Itls the most important thing to me with any amp. In fact, one of the things i like about the GT much more then my old MIIIV2 is that many models are capable of this where as with the MIII i only found one that did it to my satisfaction. But none of what i say rings true if you don't set them however you must to get that, and with some of my favs i use a stomp as clean boost to get that because it tightens the lows on some models that w/o that don't have enough crispness in the wound strings. This is one of the things i think contributes to a lot of negative reviews.....you have to think outside the box with these. You can't just set them like you would the tube amp it's modeling and always expect to get the same great results. For example, i use the green box as a clean boost on many models including the tweed i mentioned, not to get more gain but to tighten lows and give it focus. At stage volume that may not be needed as much or at all but i've only used it in a band context once so i have little to say about that just yet. It will take several more outings before i have a solid idea on that, but it did sound great that one time. If i had this back when i was gigging regularly i'd have it figureded out in a few weeks. In fact thats something i often think about....i was born about 30-40 years too early when it comes to gear ! what i wouldn't give to have had the GT when i started.

Oh, and by the way, for those dynamic in between tone you mentioned, on the GT you absolutely MUST set sag to the lowest setting or it won't work as i described. That just kills those clean to dirt picking dynamics. May as well be using a compressor. And secondy, the stock speaker also kills that till it breaks in. At first it feels like the note hit a wall when you dig in. Nite and day once it breaks in, but before it does what you said IS true. In fact thats what made me dislike the GT when i first got it and the same issue returned when i got the replacement amp when fender warranteed mine till the new one broke in. (with help from the aux jack and some dance tunes played loud for a few hours)


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