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Post subject: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 3:19 am
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I'm sure that Fender Mustang GT is already a great Amp: great Fender amp modelisations, great classical stompboxes. I good amp for Bluemans, Jazzmans and Rockers.

Firmware updates will allow to have improvments in the sound, the amp and effects available.

But for now, we need some improvments not in iOS or Android, but directly in the Amp menu using the buttons:
* Possibility to delete a preset (having just the preset we need, not 100+)
* Possibility to overwrite an existing preset when saving (ex: edition of preset 3 and save the result on preset 5)
* Possibility to reorder the presets in the main list
* Backup/Restore the presets to a PC using the USB or the Wifi
* Save a particular preset on a PC using the USB or the Wifi
* Load a previously Preset from the PC to a specific preset in the amp.
* Renaming a Set List
* Ability to reorder the presets of a Set List

Then, having a software like Fuse (or Digitech Nexus) will be great.

Smartphone is for me a gadget and a nice to have.

I see on a post that Developers don't come here and a link to contact the support. I do it and they forward my requests to the Dev team. But I am sure that if we are several to request these basic features, they will implement them more quickly.

For now, I experiment sounds with the Mustang GT, but I continue to use my Fender Blues Deluxe with a Digitech RP-360; to be sure to have a backup and the possibility to reorder when the set of my band change.

Hoping that I will be able to use only Mustang GT soon :)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 6:58 am
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Most of those I was told are already in the works and in fact Brad already said the next update will include the save features you mentioned n the first 2 things in your list. A fener rep also confirmed that for me. Overwrite say preset in slot 3 to slot 7 etc, just like the old amp. And the ability to delete the presets you've made in the 100+slots.

Then yesterday the same rep told me they looking to create an app for PC/Tablet that will allow backing up. So there are a lot of things in the works obviousy, but trust me on this. A handful or 2 of people will quote my post and tell you how i'm wrong and fender will likely do nothing. And when these things materialize they will have reasons why thier predictions were wrong. This is the most negative and anti fender forum I've ever been too.

Bluesdom wrote:
I'm sure that Fender Mustang GT is already a great Amp: great Fender amp modelisations, great classical stompboxes. I good amp for Bluemans, Jazzmans and Rockers.

Firmware updates will allow to have improvments in the sound, the amp and effects available.

But for now, we need some improvments not in iOS or Android, but directly in the Amp menu using the buttons:
* Possibility to delete a preset (having just the preset we need, not 100+)
* Possibility to overwrite an existing preset when saving (ex: edition of preset 3 and save the result on preset 5)
* Possibility to reorder the presets in the main list
* Backup/Restore the presets to a PC using the USB or the Wifi
* Save a particular preset on a PC using the USB or the Wifi
* Load a previously Preset from the PC to a specific preset in the amp.
* Renaming a Set List
* Ability to reorder the presets of a Set List

Then, having a software like Fuse (or Digitech Nexus) will be great.

Smartphone is for me a gadget and a nice to have.

I see on a post that Developers don't come here and a link to contact the support. I do it and they forward my requests to the Dev team. But I am sure that if we are several to request these basic features, they will implement them more quickly.

For now, I experiment sounds with the Mustang GT, but I continue to use my Fender Blues Deluxe with a Digitech RP-360; to be sure to have a backup and the possibility to reorder when the set of my band change.

Hoping that I will be able to use only Mustang GT soon :)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 7:48 am
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oczad wrote:
So there are a lot of things in the works obviousy, but trust me on this. A handful or 2 of people will quote my post and tell you how i'm wrong and fender will likely do nothing. And when these things materialize they will have reasons why thier predictions were wrong.

Do you have any example of the skeptics being wrong?
I can point you to examples of the cargo cult being wrong.

Fender developers almost certainly work on a backlog of already known issues, prioritizing what's downright broken and low-hanging fruit. Wishes from customers are not likely to be scheduled until and unless there are spare resources.
The latest actual data we have (from their attempted IPO in 2012) showed that the total R&D budget for the year was about $10 million. That includes all departments, not just amplifiers. It may be bigger now, but not by orders of magnitude. A single good coder costs at least $200,000 a year including taxes and benefits, and a team with management quickly goes into millions. Throwing large amounts of manpower at new development is unlikely to be in the budget for a company that barely makes a profit. The GT and Tone are likely already in the transformation from development to sustaining.

But keep on your post-purchase rationalization. You're not the first, and won't be the last.
Some of what you wish for might even happen. But certainly not all.
The budget was likely for a product that was mostly bug-free and up to specs at launch. That did not happen, and their expenses now are likely not fully budgeted.
What Fender management is likely asking now is whether they are throwing good money after bad, and how to minimize costs.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:00 am
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The only proof i need is for me and i'm just relaying what i believe to the OP. You can believe what you want and to be honest, i couldn't possibly care less about proving anything to you.

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oczad wrote:
So there are a lot of things in the works obviousy, but trust me on this. A handful or 2 of people will quote my post and tell you how i'm wrong and fender will likely do nothing. And when these things materialize they will have reasons why thier predictions were wrong.

Do you have any example of the skeptics being wrong?
I can point you to examples of the cargo cult being wrong.

Fender developers almost certainly work on a backlog of already known issues, prioritizing what's downright broken and low-hanging fruit. Wishes from customers are not likely to be scheduled until and unless there are spare resources.
The latest actual data we have (from their attempted IPO in 2012) showed that the total R&D budget for the year was about $10 million. That includes all departments, not just amplifiers. It may be bigger now, but not by orders of magnitude. A single good coder costs at least $200,000 a year including taxes and benefits, and a team with management quickly goes into millions. Throwing large amounts of manpower at new development is unlikely to be in the budget for a company that barely makes a profit. The GT and Tone are likely already in the transformation from development to sustaining.

But keep on your post-purchase rationalization. You're not the first, and won't be the last.
Some of what you wish for might even happen. But certainly not all.
The budget was likely for a product that was mostly bug-free and up to specs at launch. That did not happen, and their expenses now are likely not fully budgeted.
What Fender management is likely asking now is whether they are throwing good money after bad, and how to minimize costs.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:10 am
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no Arth1, remember when they went down the list of that huge thread in the Fuse forum and knocked off all those requests? It was like "bang bang bang" right down the line, everything on the list was either addressed, or they responded with the reason it couldn't be implemented. Then Jimi Hendrix himself plugged in to a Fender Mustang III and created some presets to share with the community. It wasn't until Jimi jumped on the back of his unicorn and rode off into the sunset that I knew it was all a dream. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 8:23 am
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Hi everybody. May be I'm a dreamer (like Lennon said) but I think that Fender will raised up big improvments in the coming weeks.
As I was thinking that this post was lost, I made a new one : Features directly in the Amp is better than Tone App.
More optimistic.
Let's play the time... :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:33 am
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oczad wrote:
The only proof i need is for me and i'm just relaying what i believe to the OP.

It was your "Trust me on this" that beggered at least an example backing up what you said.
This is one-to-many communication, not one-to-one, and what you say here is to everyone, not just the OP.

But anyhow, good luck, and keep posting wishes - once Fender employs John Frum, I'm sure everything will be great and you'll get all you ever asked for.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 10:51 am
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no Arth1, remember when they went down the list of that huge thread in the Fuse forum and knocked off all those requests?

Ah, you mean the "Fender would like your feedback..." thread that went to 44 pages, and absolutely no changes were made to the software?
Or the "We would like to reassure users of Fender FUSE that Fender is indeed continuing development on the Fender FUSE software" statement, that was deleted a year or so later?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Tue Jun 13, 2017 11:20 am
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Yep, "Fender would like your feedback". I used to defend them much like our new friend above. Then after about a year of ""We would like to reassure users....", it became obvious that they were using our suggestions for a new line of Mustangs instead of fixing a dang thing that was wrong with the old Mustangs. IMO, that was deceptive, but of course you couldn't prove it. Everything's a big secret.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Fri Jun 16, 2017 3:53 pm
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So arth1 you believe that the Fender management didn't plan for bugs and glitches when they released the amp, I mean I would think that is the whole point of Firmware is that they save money fixing glitches this way, rather then recall an whole amp line, which would cost triple the amount. Fender is still making great money of sales of multiple different items obviously, I don't think the management would have been very good at running a huge company like Fender if they just threw money at something an if it doesn't work call it quits. As mentioned, I feel the whole point of the firmware updates means they planned for glitches and bugs to be worked out, this had to be money spent a long time ago getting all this ready so all the part you mentioned them needing they most likely already have or planned for it in the budget. You would have to be pretty naïve and frankly dumb to put out an amp with firmware and give up on it so soon especially for the product they have here an its potential. That would be a much more capitol loss then adding more budget money to the product. This is most likely one of Fenders top priorities I would imagine with the way the world is moving towards digital everything. Fender has shown they have mastered other ventures, I believe their pride and invested money will go towards fixing the product that has been already been setup for such a thing rather then say " scrap it" the fixing the bugs=selling more amps, and that will more then replace the money spent getting whatever is needed to fix the glitches. I agree its naïve to think all the stuff we ask for will get done, not possible, but the main stuff that holds this amp back the universal issues most definitely will get dealt with, only frustrating question is.........when?!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Sat Jun 17, 2017 7:20 am
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If they would open-source the code these issues might get taken care of a lot faster.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang GT will be a great amp when
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 11:34 am
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Bluesdom - thanks for your feedback here! As I mentioned on another thread there's a firmware update undergoing final testing currently, and it's hoped for release this week. Stay tuned to https://support.fender.com/hc/en-us/art ... ease-Notes for release details when it's available.

Meanwhile, I'm going to wager a friendly guess that I'm not the only one rapidly wearying of seeing the same general theme posted again and again here from a small handful of members. :roll:

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