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Post subject: Another Issue request
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 3:27 pm
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I'm not so egotistical that i think a fix request from a single person is going to have any effect. But i think this one will be universally agreed upon. The volume difference between models from the quietest to the loudest is rather crazy. With each model set to it;s max volume the difference between the quietest and the loudest is no less than the difference in 1/3 of the global master volume's range. The amp itlself is much lower in volume than the old mustang, but it;s loud enough to gig with barring large rooms with loud bands. But the lowest volume models are not. I can envision those being unusable at anything but the lowest gigs. And i use the same cab on all so thats not it. But if i happen for example to want the tone of a low volume cab like the vox 2x12 in combination with an already low volume model, forget about it. Theres not a small bar gig i think you could even use that at.

So thats IMO a major fault in the amp and i believe most if not all others will agree. Someone at TGP uses a GT 100 as a power amp for thier helix or amplifire or one of those and said it very loud, much louder then using the amp as a standalone. Running it into the return of course and bypassing the modeling. This seems to suggest the power section in the GT is plenty loud but for some reason the designers chose not to allow a strong enough signal at the power amp input. If thats the case changing that would be a solution, tho i think both that and balancing the outputs of all models and cabs should be a no brainer. Anyone who has found the same and would like to see this changed speak up and maybe if enough people agree fender will look at this issue at least.


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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Fri Jun 09, 2017 5:29 pm
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Among software synthesizer users, mismatched volume among presets
is one of the more dreaded problems, and is found even among
some top-rated products.

It means evening out what would have been the real-world output levels,
among various amps, which had different power ratings and cabinets,
which were designed for different uses. We're in a
virtual amp room now, less concerned about loudness, more desirous
of switching between accurately modeled tones.

The modeled amps volumes at knob settings of 1, 5 and 10,
should be nearly identcal in their output, such that swiching models in the chain
switches the character of the sound, but not the volume hitting the Master volume control.

The whole point of being in a virtual amp room,
is the ability to do almost anything, and accurate volume control
should be one of highest priorities. It shouldn'y have to be fixed
at the preset level, one by one by one.
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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:28 am
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One of the first things I did with my Mustang 2v2 was to go through all the presets and normalize them. I had to do the same to my Line6 floor box and my Amplifi, so it's not just a GT issue. I realize that a Champ is not going to be a loud as a Twin Reverb but I do have issues that some amp models don't have as much output, even with the volume up full, to get a clean tone with usable headroom. The Studio Preamp, for instance, is what I would want to use for acoustic guitar, but the gain is too low to be usable. I remember that in Fuse, I could drill down and increase the output to some degree but there's no such facility in the GT-100 (yet). There are a lot of tones on the GT that I would never use, too gimmicky, and I'm looking forward to being able to overwrite them with variants of the few tones I do use in the next firmware release. I also hope to see the ability to back-up my tones to my Tone app so that I can restore them if I need to do a reset.


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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:32 am
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Oh, I forgot to say, don't expect the developers to pick-up on comments in the forum. Send your request to them directly - https://support.fender.com/hc/en-us/requests/new - I am told that they have a long list to requests to work through, so they won't happen all at once.


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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:42 am
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The reason i mention it here is because from what i was told by a fender rep that our own Brad here on the forum is not just a forum mod but part of the GT dev team. So he will read this stuff directly and not just see what i wrote but all the replies to it which tell him if there are more than just me who feels this is an issue. he's also a GT owner/user so he can rad what we suggest and relate to how we feel about it. But i did put in the request anyways since you linked it. But i think it;s better to have a thread full of people saying "yes, we need that" than what might be one persons request if no one else submits the same thing.


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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 7:51 am
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oczad wrote:
The reason i mention it here is because from what i was told by a fender rep that our own Brad here on the forum is not just a forum mod but part of the GT dev team. So he will read this stuff directly and not just see what i wrote but all the replies to it which tell him if there are more than just me who feels this is an issue. he's also a GT owner/user so he can rad what we suggest and relate to how we feel about it. But i did put in the request anyways since you linked it. But i think it;s better to have a thread full of people saying "yes, we need that" than what might be one persons request if no one else submits the same thing.


Didn't know that Brad was on the GT dev team but I am an admin on several forums, and have been for many years, and I certainly don't read all the posts. Life is too short.


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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 8:21 am
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Brad does tho. I have yet to see him not answer anything asked of him here that requires an answer unless it might be controversial. Sometimes it takes a few days but he gets to them. Anyways the point is i think it's good to get a thread going and see if theres a general consensus and when he sees that it's likely to be more motivational then my single submitted request. After all, it think it goes w/o saying not every request will be fulfilled, just the ones they feel are popular. Otherwise they'd be at it till the end of time.

stratocaster1983 wrote:
oczad wrote:
The reason i mention it here is because from what i was told by a fender rep that our own Brad here on the forum is not just a forum mod but part of the GT dev team. So he will read this stuff directly and not just see what i wrote but all the replies to it which tell him if there are more than just me who feels this is an issue. he's also a GT owner/user so he can rad what we suggest and relate to how we feel about it. But i did put in the request anyways since you linked it. But i think it;s better to have a thread full of people saying "yes, we need that" than what might be one persons request if no one else submits the same thing.


Didn't know that Brad was on the GT dev team but I am an admin on several forums, and have been for many years, and I certainly don't read all the posts. Life is too short.


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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 1:58 pm
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oczad wrote:
After all, I think it goes w/o saying not every request will be fulfilled, just the ones they feel are popular.

Screw what's popular. Fender ads and packaging say one thing,
and the customer experience is quite another. If Ford installed
car stereos in new cars with the same false promises of connectibility...

If Brad Traweek is a 'coder', or 'engineer', more power to him,
but that should be clarified. The phrase 'Dev Team' is, in and of itself,
meaningless jargon. The infamous 'pointy haired boss' can include himself
on his own 'teams', much to the real workers chagrine...

If the people behind this fiasco (at any level) can't spare
20 minutes a day reading here, in their hours at home,
then they have no pride in their craft,
and hopefully will leave Fender, voluntarily or otherwise.

Whatever happened to work ethic? Don't damage the company.
Don't embarrass the company. Sacrifice 'something' to better
the company. The Fender brand is more than just
a bunch of paychecks. The boss, whoever that is, or whoever they are,
need(s) to fix things. A progress update on every tuesday and friday afternoon,
would be extremely appropriate.
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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 2:10 pm
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PointyHairedBoss: "Asok, how is the new firmware revision doing?"

Asok: " We added some epoxy to the formula, so the new ones
should be much firmer!"
:wink:


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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Sat Jun 10, 2017 3:33 pm
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guildorf wrote:
If the people behind this fiasco (at any level) can't spare
20 minutes a day reading here, in their hours at home,
then they have no pride in their craft,
and hopefully will leave Fender, voluntarily or otherwise.

Whatever happened to work ethic? Don't damage the company.
Don't embarrass the company.

That's why they cannot comment here.


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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:39 am
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guildorf wrote:
PointyHairedBoss: "Asok, how is the new firmware revision doing?"

Asok: " We added some epoxy to the formula, so the new ones
should be much firmer!"
:wink:

This is Fender, so it's "grey pony-tail boss". :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Another Issue request
Posted: Mon Jun 12, 2017 5:50 pm
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David Crosby wrote a ballad along those lines.
Long, long ago. I wonder how many Fender products he's used
in the last 50 years?
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