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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 6:48 am
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SpinnerDeluxe wrote:

All true.

But: before I pulled the trigger I watched all YT vids I am aware of. Even the reboxing stuff. Those guys talked a lot. But not so many actually played the amp in a proper way for a particular sound.

Then I came across this video. A *good* guitar sounds needs more than just a decent amp and guitar. Foremost it needs good fingers. The amp sounds from this video show what the GT can do when played properly, and its excellent taking into account the GT's price tag:

https://youtu.be/PTVK0jQxjDc

Having said that: The functionality (or non-functionality in my case) of the app on android is really dissapointing and MUST be improved SOON.


As did I. Even the fairly well respected Oz cat and the re boxing vids. My take away was that the amp models sounded good. Especially those that model Fender amps, not surprisingly.

The implementation and release of the Mustang and Tone as a whole however, does feel like it was rushed. Having spent a lifetime in NPD I understand how that happens, but it is nonetheless frustrating. For us as customers and, believe me, those technical types that are responsible for the development of the 'stang.

As I alluded to earlier, I bought my Mustang GT200 with certain expectations, fully aware of the issues and shortcomings at present.

Yes, we need Fender to fix that which is broken or non functional that was sold with the amp.

I believe that there is great potential in the series. I believe that we do need to continue to voice cocerns and issues and ask for improvements for the future.

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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:01 am
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strings10927 wrote:
SCRS wrote:
I bought my Mustang GT200 the last week of June this year, and had it only a few days before the firmware and iOS updates......I don't have an iPhone but I do have an iPad.

Is my Mustang GT200 perfect? NOPE. Will it do what I purchased it to do? Absolutely. All day long.

try using an Android device and see if it still does what you purchased it to do all day long.


As I said, I didn't buy mine because of any app...iOS or android but almost rather in spite of any app. So I would have the same experience.

I am not at all trying to diminish the issues or concerns of those that rely on and use the Tone app. I just don't use it at present. If the requested functionality were implemented/fixed, and a computer based version crafted, I might.

So yes, the amp does do what I purchased the amp to do. Would I like to see improvements? I believe I have made it clear enough that I would.

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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:14 am
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SCRS wrote:
As I said, I didn't buy mine because of any app

did you? I read your post again and I can't find that. Anyway, I'm just glad some of you guys are happy with the GT amps, because a lot of people are not.

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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 1:54 pm
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SCRS wrote:
Is my Mustang GT200 perfect? NOPE. Will it do what I purchased it to do? Absolutely. All day long.

For how long?

Don't get me wrong because I have been one of Fender's best customers and they have been very loyal to me with their products and service. Here is the deal, going from a five year warranty to a 4, no, a 3, no, but a 2 on the GT line shows me a lot especially when it is not ready for prime time with its current release as advertised.

Sorry Fender but this has been bungled and I feel partly responsible because I was one of those that was really pushing for them to release their next generation of the Mustang line here on the forums with inquiries about NAMM, give us a time line, etc.

These amps have really deviated from Fender's looks and weight as well, but for those that are enjoying the GT as is, more power to you but if *I* bought one and couldn't use my Android device with WiFi, and Bluetooth as advertised and not have a reliable backup of my presets along with firmware and speaker issues.

With all due respect what on God's green earth were you thinking? All the Mustangs and your best selling amp line needed was just a few more bells and whistles with updated amp modelling software. 7 years and now this.

I will stick to my older Stangs which are rock solid. I can squeeze out tones from these puppies...scratch that...horses that rival my best tube amps with effects and at *lower* *volume*. Say what?

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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 2:05 pm
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This is what is happening to the music industry as a whole. People or I should say real musicians are downsizing and they are dying off and the younger kids are not replacing the buyers of guitars, basses, and drums, etc.

They listen to mostly to electronic music and most have no interest in playing. I am telling ya taking music programs out of the schools has hurt music in general for many years now.

Here is what is really going on IMHO.

To quote a recent Washington Post article:

"In the past decade, electric guitar sales have plummeted, from about 1.5 million sold annually to just over 1 million. The two biggest companies, Gibson and Fender, are in debt, and a third, PRS Guitars, had to cut staff and expand production of cheaper guitars. In April, Moody’s downgraded Guitar Center, the largest chain retailer, as it faces $1.6 billion in debt. And at Sweetwater.com, the online retailer, a brand-new, interest-free Fender can be had for as little as $8 a month."

It even mentioned family owned Sam Ash is hurting as well.

All sad but true!

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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 3:37 pm
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It is sad and true. However, it is no excuse for Fender or anyone else to sell a product that is not as described.

The Mustang GT is not as described as Tone connectivity particularly on Android phones doesn't work on many devices (this is my guess based on user complaints I have read).

A responsible company would accept returns from customers who have devices that are not supported and bought the amp based on Tone being a function the device performed.

Unfortunately Fender is not supporting their product, a mistake that will hurt them in the long run.

IMO the Mustang GT design objective was to come up with something that was as cheap as possible to build and support. Look at the quality of materials used in the GT vs. prior generation. Look at the quality of the software release. Look at the quality of support. In every instance the GT is worse.


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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 7:16 pm
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Here is an example of the disappointment Fender Tone as expressed by Google store ratings: 1.9 out of 5 is a very poor response indeed:

https://play.google.com/store/apps/deta ... tone&hl=en

Come on Fender, stand up and take responsibility for this flawed release. Do something.


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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 9:29 pm
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SpinnerDeluxe wrote:
Then I came across this video. A *good* guitar sounds needs more than just a decent amp and guitar. Foremost it needs good fingers.

Good fingers can make anything sound good.


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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Fri Jul 14, 2017 11:52 pm
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Certainly not minimizing any concerns here from those voicing frustrations, but ... do just want to try to quell a bit of the "doomsday" stuff being posted on this thread. The GT is actually quite a successful release thus far. We get feedback from the field on these on a daily basis and it's actually pretty uniformly positive. And, from a pure business perspective, the amps just enjoyed some excellent attention at NAMM in Nashville this week as well. All good.

The Android app is obviously a point of continued focus and it's been receiving regular updates - I realize we have some newer visitors on this thread, but you'll want to keep an eye on https://support.fender.com/hc/en-us/art ... ease-Notes bookmarked to monitor ongoing updates.

That said, again not minimizing any concerns. If anyone here is seriously frustrated with his/her amp to the point of wanting to return it, certainly drop me a line at ForumAdmin@fender.com and I'll see if there's anything we can do.

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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 12:58 pm
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Glad the NAMM show is going well. Any chance you could convert
some hi-def namm videos to the other extreme for those with
slow or metered isp's?

I'm finding the GT40 to be extremely versatile, and when combined with,
or driving, the world of vst effects, ones imagination and knowledge
of 'what works' soundwise, are the only limiting factors. Great precision
and flamboyance are possible at all stops between the on-switch,
and the mastering apps.

The 'old' V1 has now inherited a tube-based effects rack, used as a mega-preamp.
Amazing capabilities when used with discretion. And even more, when not...

Has anyone at Fender contacted the authors of Plug and Remuda
regarding a contract job fixing wireless issues, and creating a desktop app?
Plug uses QT, to be fully cross-platform, so much of the hard part has been done.
Remuda is a successful tool, in the realm Tone struggles with.

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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 1:13 pm
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There's also quite a difference between a Mustang played with
a guitar that has old single coil pickups, strung with flat-wound strings,
compared to one with hot humbuckers, strung with ScreechMasters.

(No, Billy, your reboxing video really was a bit hasty...)


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Post subject: Re: Future of the GT?
Posted: Sat Jul 15, 2017 3:55 pm
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I gave up with my GT and returned it..

It sounded really good but none of the other stuff worked as well as it did on my Mustang iii V2. Bluetooth was rubbish. Tone app.... Android..........sorry......epic fail. The inbuilt tuner.........err.........better off with a £2 headstock tuner off ebay. Can't save presets how you'd like..... There are just too many things that were over promised by the literature which were under delivered on in the real world.

Although it wasn't perfect at least the combination of any Mustang V2 . Fuse etc worked acceptably. Unfortunately the GT does not.


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