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Post subject: what differences between GT and V Mustang 2 series?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 4:09 am
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Hi,
i have a Mustang 3 v. 2 and I'm enough satisfied with it.
Some limitations have been always quite annoying like the transition delay between two presets and a related burst noise of short duration that in certain combinations of transitions can happen.

I guess that in the new generation GT that kind of limitations has been solved but also i am wondering if besides the algorithm improvement for modeling amp and effects, there are the desired improvements in the effects chain. I mean, most of us with precedent Mustang series requested to be able to chain in preamp and/or in post amp section more than one effect of the same family, for example two stomp box simultaneously, two modulations and so on.
So , I downloaded the advanced manual but I couldn't find information about. I read that is more flexible because you can move an effect in every point of the chain.
but, how many effects of the same family i can activate simultaneously, how many effects max in the pre and in the post section if there is such limitation, and what is the overall max number of effects you can put and activate in the chain simultaneously?

thanks in advance
Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: what differences between GT and V Mustang 2 series?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:16 am
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I have a GT-100 and M2v2. The GT sounds a lot better than the M2 (IMHO) and yes, you can chain effects as you suggest. The GT is more complicated to use, as there is a lot more to it, but then the Fuse amp was never very intuitive. I asked Fender support where I could download a manual for the Fuse app. They told me there wasn't one! I don't feel the need for a manual for the Tone app (on an iPad), it is all perfectly understandable but I prefer the Line6 Amplifi app for usability.


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Post subject: Re: what differences between GT and V Mustang 2 series?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 7:40 am
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Feature wise i feel the old mustang is far better. Tone wise i think the new one beats it hands down, especially at stage volume where the GT doesn't get thin and harsh requiring you to jump thru hoops just to make it usable. Here are my observations owning both a MIII v2 and a GT100. And i'm just going to mention meat and potatoes items, not things like wifi and bluetooth because i'm comparing a guitar amp here and i'm not interested in apps and playing mp3s thru my amp etc etc. This is guitar amp vs guitar amp. the rest like all that fluff you can find out just looking at the posts here.

GT100 pros:
1. effects order can be changed without at the amp using a app like fuse.

2. i'm not sure how many effects can be used at once, but it;s a lot more. I've set up as many as 3 stomps and a few delay based effects and it just kept letting me add. So whatever the amount is, it's more than enough.

3. global EQ presets. You can choose from 3 different global presets if for example you play a room thats too dark or bright etc. Bright cut, bright boost, and low cut. I found them to be a problem for me in that i never remember where it's set and they are not assignable to presets. But they are there if you need them so i supposed it;s better then not having them. Just not for me.

Cons:

1. can't save a patch to another location ofyour choice. The cosest you can come is choosing "save as new" which save it to a new highest number. For example, you want to put your patch thats in slot #3 in slot #1. You can't. If the highest patch number for example is 109, when you save #3 with the "save as new" feature it will create a slot # 110 and put it there. To
move to a slot you want it in you'd have to write down all the settings and then make it in the new slot from scratch. 10 minutes vs 3 seconds. PITA.

2. no 2 button footswitch to use along with the 4 button. This limits switching from the old amp a lot.

3. No way to save a backup in case your amp needs to be restored. They may put that on the phone app at some point, but unless you have a cell and unless it's a OS thats supported you're out of luck.

4. no effects buttons on the amp, so unlike the old amp where you could turn off an affect with one button press, you have to press a layer button, scroll to the effect you want to turn on or off, then press the layer button twice. Of course u can use the effects mode on the 4 button switch to turn 3 different effects on/off, but if you use that you can;t use the other modes without having to scroll thru other modes to get there. With the old amp you could use the 4 button for effects and the 2 to change presets or visa versa, then lock them at the amp.

5. no way to lock the 4 button to one mode. The mode switch is always active so you can accidentally move it and be unaware in a live situation till you try and hit a button and realize it;s in the wrong mode switch could potentially be embarrassing, especially if you accidentally hit the looper.

Thats all i can think of off the top of my head. The GT fails miserably for me in the feature area but tonally it;s a great improvement for the most part. So i'm a bit torn. But when i play the 2 side by side it;s undeniable the GT tone is great, and tone is always #1. Look at boutique amps....many are $3000 featherless amps with 5 knobs and nothing more and people will pay that for tone over a $500 production amp that has every feature in the book just to have killer tone. So you gotta decide which type of consumer you are...... the $3000 boutique guy or the feature guy. That plus look at my list and see if there are any deal breakers. There are 2 that make it hard for me to use but the tone may win out, I'm undecided still because while tone trumps features for me, there are a couple things that are a nightmare for me.


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Post subject: Re: what differences between GT and V Mustang 2 series?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:13 am
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Stratocaster1983 - I'm surprised Fender told you there's no manual for FUSE, because I downloaded one from their website! Actually I have the manuals for the Mustang version of FUSE and the Super Champ version of FUSE. I've been wondering if Fender will come out with a computer-based interface for the GT amps. Phone screens are pretty small, as is the LCD on the amp.


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Post subject: Re: what differences between GT and V Mustang 2 series?
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:44 am
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Maybe I goaded them into producing one ;) They didn't have one when I enquired a year ago. A version of Tone that worked on my MacBook Pro would be nice but not essential.


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Post subject: Re: what differences between GT and V Mustang 2 series?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 7:48 am
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oczad wrote:
Feature wise i feel the old mustang is far better. Tone wise i think the new one beats it hands down, especially at stage volume [...]

GT100 pros:
1. effects order can be changed without at the amp using a app like fuse.

2. i'm not sure how many effects can be used at once, but it;s a lot more. I've set up as many as 3 stomps and a few delay based effects and it just kept letting me add. So whatever the amount is, it's more than enough.
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Very interesting all of these improvements!

Another question... as you know in M3 V2 there is a limitation for the input signal so you can, let's say, overload too much the analogical/digital converter (if i remember right) with an external stompbox or simply with a virtual high gain stompbox included because depending on the gain of the amp model you can get strange modulation effects or even a wavering on the volume where usually you would obtain a straight sustain without wavering (like Santana, even though it is helped much by feedback) .
Some of us discussed about this in the past at the times of the "transition" from Mustang V1 (i owned also an M3 V1, a story to forget ) to the new V2.

Do you think that now in GT series there is more headroom in the preamp section or however in A/Digital converter so it can deal with more gain levels before clipping or give strange digital effects?
as you said to have chained even 3 stompboxes in the same preset i guess should be a more "permissive" A/D converter and related input circuits...
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Cons:

1. can't save a patch to another location of your choice. [... ]
2. no 2 button footswitch to use along with the 4 button. This limits switching from the old amp a lot.

3. No way to save a backup in case your amp needs to be restored. They may put that on the phone app at some point, but unless you have a cell and unless it's a OS thats supported you're out of luck.

4. no effects buttons on the amp, so unlike the old amp where you could turn off an affect with one button press, you have to press a layer button, scroll to the effect you want to turn on or off, then press the layer button twice. Of course u can use the effects mode on the 4 button switch to turn 3 different effects on/off, but if you use that you can;t use the other modes without having to scroll thru other modes to get there. With the old amp you could use the 4 button for effects and the 2 to change presets or visa versa, then lock them at the amp.

5. no way to lock the 4 button to one mode. The mode switch is always active so you can accidentally move it and be unaware in a live situation till you try and hit a button and realize it;s in the wrong mode switch could potentially be embarrassing, especially if you accidentally hit the looper.


Ah ok... then bad news in this case about the features and usability...

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So you gotta decide which type of consumer you are...... the $3000 boutique guy or the feature guy. That plus look at my list and see if there are any deal breakers. There are 2 that make it hard for me to use but the tone may win out, I'm undecided still because while tone trumps features for me, there are a couple things that are a nightmare for me.


Well, I think to be a nowaday's digital tecnologies fan and not a boutique guy, basically too expensive compared to excellent modeler processors...
you know... one of my favourites guitar players, Frank Gambale, believes that you can rely totally in the digital processing of the last years and replace the real thing with digital processors. It is endorser of an our made in Italy brand , DV Mark which i don't like so much but it is matter of tastes. I like much more Fender modeling of course.

by the way... as you mentioned, in another message , that you like Line6 products i guess you'll love a product as Helix pedalboard: i didn't have the chance to try one but from the extended demo and review videos it seems that the amp tones and also effects be far better than precedent PODs or similar. I probably continue to prefer Fractal Audio talking about more expensive range products (Line 6, Kemper...) in the case i would have the chance to afford one.

Also, the Helix pedalboard seems to have most of features to make easier the life of the live player... i'm thinking to the various assignable pedal switches on board... it can resemble a little the functionality of a dedicated pedalboard for Axe FX processor of Fractal Audio or the same version of those F.A. processors in pedalboard format.

Anyway, at the moment i'm not going to buy a Fender GT amp also because i ordered my first valuable (and quite expensive) guitar , an Ibanez Artist 2619 Prestige and it will arrive in Italy from Japan in september and then i will have to pay the remaining balance :wink:


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Post subject: Re: what differences between GT and V Mustang 2 series?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 8:42 am
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frondizi wrote:
Another question... as you know in M3 V2 there is a limitation for the input signal so you can, let's say, overload too much the analogical/digital converter (if i remember right) with an external stompbox or simply with a virtual high gain stompbox included because depending on the gain of the amp model you can get strange modulation effects or even a wavering on the volume where usually you would obtain a straight sustain without wavering (like Santana, even though it is helped much by feedback) .
Some of us discussed about this in the past at the times of the "transition" from Mustang V1 (i owned also an M3 V1, a story to forget ) to the new V2. Do you think that now in GT series there is more headroom in the preamp section or however in A/Digital converter so it can deal with more gain levels before clipping or give strange digital effects?
as you said to have chained even 3 stompboxes in the same preset i guess should be a more "permissive" A/D converter and related input circuits...


I never really had that issue much but i can tell you what I DID notice. I only use one outboard pedal, a tube screamer clone. And i do not use it as a OD, i use it as a clean boost with the volume all the way up and the overdrive knob all the way down. Of course thats likely to show issues with the input even more since the issue is really all about slamming the input with too high a level. Anyways, i only had issues on the deluxe model on the MIIIV2. The rest worked fine with it, or at least they ones i used, but then i only used 4 or 5 of the models. (tried all of them but only liked and used 4 or 5) The GT so far has shown no problems there either except on the deluxe just like on the MIII, but the issue is lessened on the GT. It's usable but you get a slight blocking effect, just not nearly as bad as on the MIII. My clean boost was totally unusable on the MIII's deluxe model. So in short, the GT is better on the deluxe but so far i haven;t had any other models give me issues like that same as the MIII.

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you mentioned, in another message , that you like Line6 products


You're mistaking me for someone else. I can't stand any of the line 6 product modeling products i've tried. Thats not to say i'd hate the helix but i'm happy with the mustangs and have no need to spend a load to get something i might like more....or maybe not. I also put a lot of importance on a single simple combo format so that eliminates the helix anyways.


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Post subject: Re: what differences between GT and V Mustang 2 series?
Posted: Fri Jun 02, 2017 4:08 pm
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Ah yes, i'm sorry,
i was mistaking you for Stratocaster1983 that mentioned Line6 just for the usability of the related app.


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