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Post subject: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 9:20 am
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..... In my dreams.
There has been many negative reviews about the Mustang GT. Unfortunately as much as I did not want to, I have to agree.
Today with the help of a friendly local dealer who was of the same opinion, we did a little experiment. We plugged the GT 40 headphone output into a Mustang 1V2 Aux input. We then played through the GT40 and heard our results through the Mustang 1 V2 amp.
We were both opened mouthed at the result. It was beautiful, just how the GT should have sounded.
Therefore Fender please take the computer hardware from the GT and put it in the old Mustang V2 and call it the Mustang V3.
As with the old 3 way switch on the Strat, which Fender changed to a 5 way switch following public opinion.
Perhaps with enough support for this post or elsewhere the dream of a Mustang V3 could come true.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 12:24 pm
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I'm happy with my GT-40, one week in. I've mostly been focusing on the '59 Bassman, '57 Deluxe, '57 Champ, and '65 Deluxe Reverb models, and with roughly 15 minutes tweaking for each amp, I've been able to come up with sounds I like (obviously I haven't come close to exploring the full parameter space yet!). I have never played through real examples of these three tweed amps, but I have spent significant time playing through a well-maintained DRRI, and the GT-40 blackface Deluxe model is, to my ears, a believable, enjoyable recreation.

YMMV of course, but the GT-40 is giving me exactly what I wanted - a solid practice / recording amp with a lot more good sounding models and a much more flexible effects chain than my (still excellent) Yamaha THR-10C. The Fender community here has given Fender a well-deserved wirebrushing for the issues with the Tone app (especially on Android), and the teething pains with WiFi and Bluetooth, and made a lot of good suggestions for firmware mods that I hope Fender latches onto, but even so the GT-40 bang for the buck has been excellent for me.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 3:26 pm
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My GT100 is awesome. The more I play through it and adjust the settings and dial it in I get some amazing sounds. I'm very happy with it.

As far as aesthetics goes I think the V series was not the prettiest girl at the dance (just my opinion...apologies to those who like the way it looks) and I never would have bought one because of it no matter how good it sounded. I need looks and sounds when considering an amp. Call me shallow...I don't care. I really like the looks of the GT series and the amazing sounds are a bonus.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 5:28 am
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I agree, I think Fender's product designers have done very well here. It would be even better had they spaced the knobs differently. The master volume knob is bigger, that is good but had I been designing it (I am a designer), I would have grouped the three EQ together and separated them visually from the other knobs a little. Amp designers have a tradition of spacing knobs in a straight line equally spaced. The designers of other audio equipment learned a long time ago that knobs should reflect their particular function and promote, relegate and group them accordingly to improve usability.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Tue May 30, 2017 7:40 am
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stratocaster1983 wrote:
Amp designers have a tradition of spacing knobs in a straight line equally spaced. The designers of other audio equipment learned a long time ago that knobs should reflect their particular function and promote, relegate and group them accordingly to improve usability.

I'm not a designer, but engineer, and have had to send back designs that were form over function. A user isn't going to put his glasses on and read the small print except for the first few days. After that, the user will use memory, preferably unconsciously.
The limit on buttons per grouping that can be memorized to the point that the user doesn't have to think is about 3 linearly. More than that, and you need to group, very clearly. And the same applies to groups, which may need to be sectioned.
Six identical buttons in a row, with the same spacing is just bad design.

Sometimes the fix is easy. A couple of colored stickers on a couple of non-adjacent knobs can make a big difference in usability. If you know that the midrange has an orange top, you know where the bass and treble are too, without thinking. Or a white line between the eq section and the gain/volume on the left and reverb on the right would help a lot too.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 2:34 am
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stratocaster1983 wrote:
I agree, I think Fender's product designers have done very well here. It would be even better had they spaced the knobs differently. The master volume knob is bigger, that is good but had I been designing it (I am a designer), I would have grouped the three EQ together and separated them visually from the other knobs a little. Amp designers have a tradition of spacing knobs in a straight line equally spaced. The designers of other audio equipment learned a long time ago that knobs should reflect their particular function and promote, relegate and group them accordingly to improve usability.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 3:15 am
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Glad to hear people are happy with their GT's.
If the GT was my first modelling amp, I would have been very happy with it.
I think what it comes down to is I prefer the single speaker in the V2 to the stereo speaker in the GT.
It just goes to show how we hear things differently.
I think I put this topic on the wrong forum.
When I have worked it out I will close this topic and place it on a more appropriate forum.
Thank you for your comments and enjoy your GT's


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:34 pm
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To each his own, as they say ... I've played both extensively and to me my GT sounds better than the V2.

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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 6:33 am
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Brad Traweek - Fender wrote:
To each his own, as they say ... I've played both extensively and to me my GT sounds better than the V2.


I'm right there with ya on that Brad, and IMO those who think the MIII sounds better either didn't spend the time or aren't capable of tweaking it to thier liking. I'm sorry to those who disagree, but i have them side by side and have spent a lot of time both out of curiosity and desire to get the best from it and using the same models in each to create the same sounds, the GT end up sounding easily better to the point you'd have to be tone deaf not to hear it. I'm not talking subjective tone differences here, i'm talking the SAME sounds and the GT just gets richer livelier versions of them. It's unmistakable, and those who didn't hear that simply didn't get to that point for whatever reason, there's no other answer. You can debate the benefits of the MIII vs GT on features and i agree with much of that. But tone.....those who say the MIII is better have not heard the GT's potential. You can complain that if it takes too long to get to that potential and thats fine...thats another debate and if thats a drag for you i get that. But i'm talking about tone quality potential, period, and i have them side by side both endlessly tweaked on the same models to the best they were capable of and it's as obvious as a lead pipe upside the head that the GT is a very notable improvement. The deluxe which on the MIII i didn't use because i couldn't get it to sound great with any dirt is one of my favs on the GT. That speaks volumes.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:42 am
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oczad wrote:
IMO those who think the MIII sounds better either didn't spend the time or aren't capable of tweaking it to thier liking.

Now this is condescending, and I hope this is not a sentiment Fender agrees with.

Customer blaming is like victim blaming.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 7:49 am
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arth1 wrote:
oczad wrote:
IMO those who think the MIII sounds better either didn't spend the time or aren't capable of tweaking it to thier liking.

Now this is condescending, and I hope this is not a sentiment Fender agrees with.

Customer blaming is like victim blaming.

Rather than that being condescending, i look at your post as ignoring facts for political correctness. You actually believe there are not a ton of kids out there with little experience who are like I WAS at a young age, pretty much tone deaf that are contributing to a lot of the GT tone hate? Are you really that naive and politically correct that you can't even recognize the truth? seriously, you have been replying to me here from day one criticizing every friggin thing i say. If you don't like me thats fine. The feeling is mutual except that i only respond to you negatively when you direct things like this at me. Get a life, and while you're at it how about finding someone else to follow around pestering?


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 8:28 am
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Well I have a lot of time with the GT100 and the MIIIv2. I own the MIIIv2 but not the GT100 (because unlike my buddy who foolishly sold his MIIIv2 to get the GT100 the day it was available... I decided to hold off). He is frustrated and regretting that decision. I'm glad I waited. Oh I may still get the GT100 one day, but not until lots of things are fixed. I'm sure with the amount of complaints (surely many of them from tone-deaf kids, but many of them from older, seasoned guitarists with a plethora of amps to compare it with as well), Fender will get as much fixed as they can through software. A lot is fixable through patches and firmware upgrades, but owners may have to be patient because that could take a while.

I've used my buddy's GT100 quite a bit since he purchased it (because I was ready to make the leap and upgrade knowing that if it was half as good as the MIIIv2 it would be AWESOME!). I'm still ready, but at the moment I feel like the GT100 isn't.

I don’t know really how to describe the overall sound of the GT other than it sounds compressed and tinny (on MOST presets… even ones I've replicated from my v2). The highs aren't near as “sparkly” clean on the GT as the v2… they are more shrill and it is something that no amount of tweaking between the two of us can make it sound "right". Taking the exact same guitar and A/Bing the two amps, the GT made it sound like when you pick up a pawnshop or garage sale guitar where the strings are two years old and tight and rusted… and then using the same guitar and patch on the MIIIv2 it was that feeling/sound you get with the bell-like tone of perfectly tuned new strings. It was just a quite noticeable difference in tone and nothing I could do improved it. Now my buddy got one the very first day they were available locally and while he hasn’t completely given up on it yet (I think he feels committed at this point) has said he regretted getting rid of his Mustang III v2. He seems pretty frustrated. I was surprised he sold his v2 before he even had a chance to play the GT. Myself? I went in amped and super pumped to make the trade if the GT equalled or bettered the v2… and in many ways it really does from a feature standpoint, but where it really counts (sound) it just isn’t there yet (for me and from my experience). I keep playing with my buddy’s hoping I’m just missing something and an ah ha moment will occur on the GT… but it just hasn’t happened yet for me. Maybe with some upcoming updates it will. I’m ready to make the leap at any time as soon as it does. BUT… I love my v2 so much as is that I’m not going to rush the swap. The features of the GT just don’t trump sound/tone of the v2 for me. If money weren’t an issue, I would have already purchased the GT100 and also kept my MIIIv2 that way I could continue to have the amp and tone I LOVE while I’m working on building that tone and relationship with an amp I’m just for the time being somewhat interested in. I was hoping the GT100 would be love at first site like it was for the MIIIv2, but after several dates I’m thinking we’ll just be friends for now. My interest in the GT is waning with each new time I play it. I’ll keep my eye on it and as long as my buddy has his I’ll be interested in seeing if software updates help in the sound/tone department. If they later on come out with a marriage of the features of the GT with the sound of the MIIIv2 and call it the GTO Judge… I’m all in! =)

Now keep in mind I've only played three GTs (and all of them were the GT100... so I can't speak to the 40 or 200), but none of the ones I've tested have really cut it (for me). I believe that the majority out there who love their GT really do love it and they got great copies. So were all three of the copies I got my hands on poor copies? If so... wow! If not... is it just me? It very well could be. We all have different likes and preferences. Now there are going to be people out there with a GT who are going to say they love it and it is the most awesome amp ever no matter what because they feel the need to justify and feel good about their purchase. Not everyone, but there will be some like that. And on the other side of the fence, there will be people who don't want to take the time to learn a new system nor spend the money on a new system, so they will say their old amp is the schiznit and "better" without even trying the new stuff. So take reviews you see and hear online (even mine) with a grain of salt. The only way to know for sure is get out there and test the hell out of it yourself! And you'll know if it is right for you. I would suggest not buying it before you try it (like my buddy), but if you try it and it just sings for you, then you've got the amp you want/need and who cares what others say about it. As long as YOU are happy with it... you don't need to justify it to others.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 11:07 am
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Eliminate the speaker and cabinet for the moment,
by recording the usb signal on a soundcard with great DA/AD convertors,
and listen on Pro grade studio monitors/headphones.

An axiom of the universe:

The worst piece of gear in your signal chain, is thus the most powerful.

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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 3:30 pm
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Yeah, but the same can be said for the most highly regarded tube amps of all time. That is, if i'm reading what you're saying right.


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Post subject: Re: NEW! MUSTANG V3
Posted: Thu Jun 01, 2017 5:34 pm
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oczad wrote:
seriously, you have been replying to me here from day one criticizing every friggin thing i say. If you don't like me thats fine. The feeling is mutual except that i only respond to you negatively when you direct things like this at me. Get a life, and while you're at it how about finding someone else to follow around pestering?

Paranoid much? I respond to what's posted and not the poster - I have no idea who you are and like to keep it that way. I'm debating what's said, not who said it. You give yourself far too much credit if you think someone would bother following you around.


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