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Post subject: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Wed May 17, 2017 4:22 pm
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I am looking for advice on setting up the footswitch that came with the GT 200 for a live performance. I realize that I can set up 3 user defined presets that I use commonly and select from them using the 3 right most buttons in QA Mode. But is there a way to set it up for more flexibility? For example, an ideal scenario would be to set up multiple banks of 3 presets that I could cycle through. Does the setlist feature accommodate this in any way? can set list be controlled by the footswitch at all? Any advice here is much appreciated.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 7:48 am
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Also would be interested in hearing from anybody who is intending on using it in a live scenario on how they are setting everything up.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:37 am
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Without going into detail, because the EXP-1 pedal doesn't work exactly like it did with the old mustang, I can't have my most important function. (please don't make me explain because it's VERY longwinded) but i COULD make it ok with the footswitch functions IF they were configurable. But they aren't I need at least two on/off effects buttons and either one that toggles between 2 patches or 2 buttons that i can pick from those 2 patches. It could be made configurable in the amp but it won't be. I know i can do these by toggling between modes, but thats unusable....they must be all there at the same time without having to change modes in the middle of songs or it's useless to me. They should have the functions all assignable in the amp so you could arrange what button does what. And because of that my decision whether to sell the old MIII or the new GT is up in the air.The switching is that important. Plus because you have to cycle thru the looper that makes it even more problematic because 1-it's another mode to cycle thru in the heat of battle, and 2 the looper accidentally triggering what you just played is a potential gig nightmare. I thin the removal of 2 button switch support as with the MIII was a huge mistake on fender's part. It was the only thing that made switching capabilities configurable to any degree. We pay $70 more for the amp and no 2 button with it, $20 more for the 4 button and a lot less capability to mix and match as needed. BIG mistake fender ! Thats part of whats causing a lot of people to return them, and from reading a few forums there have been a huge number of people returning them. fender should do two things to fix the switching issue for many people....add 2 button support thats configurable like the old one, that is IF they even can with the one jack, and make the looper mode bypassable so it cycles from the effects mode right back to mode 1 with one click of the button. I'd bet that would curb more than 1/2 the returns. I can tell you I'd be a whole lot more sure its the MIII thats going in the classifieds if they did that. And if mine were returnable i;d be considering that right now. Not that i'm going to, but it would be a real possibility. The tone might not be enough with all my switching woes this thing has brought to me over the old amp.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Mon May 22, 2017 8:42 am
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I bought the footswitch just so I can have access to the looper function. I don't bother using it for presets.


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Posted: Mon May 29, 2017 4:50 pm
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The MGT-4 footswitch in Presets mode does allow one to switch between banks of three presets and to select any one of the three in the current bank. The question I have, at this point, is what the limit is for stored presets. I haven't seen information on that yet.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 6:25 am
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justsaymaybe wrote:
Also would be interested in hearing from anybody who is intending on using it in a live scenario on how they are setting everything up.


Our friend Shane took a GT-200 to a live gig, according to his video - but he didn't bother to learn how to use the amp and didn't set anything up beforehand. Guess what? It was disaster. The stomp boxes were too loud, the speakers were out of phase etc, etc. He took the amp back (after gigging it). Kinda puts a perspective on things :?


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 6:32 am
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I haven't gigged my GT-100 yet but I have gigged my old Line6 Spider Jam many times. First thing I realised is that the EQ has to be quite different when playing loud and live. What sounds good in my living room (with boosted bass and treble) sounds horribly thin in a band environment. You need to tweak those presets in a realistic situation and in conjunction with the other instruments to find your correct sonic space in the overall mix.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 6:57 am
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I haven't gigged my GT-100 yet but I have gigged my old Line6 Spider Jam many times. First thing I realised is that the EQ has to be quite different when playing loud and live. What sounds good in my living room (with boosted bass and treble) sounds horribly thin in a band environment. You need to tweak those presets in a realistic situation and in conjunction with the other instruments to find your correct sonic space in the overall mix.

I finally did and the good news is i DID tweak it a bit but generally you can use the presets you use at home without having to EQ them a lot different. My MIII was the opposite. What sounded good at home was a nightmare live and to make it usable i had to use the SS112 cab sim which is dark as nite, then EQ it with a graphic in the effects loop. You'll find the GT far better in this respect. Of course i'm talking presets you made at reasonable volume, not 12 midnight bedroom volume with a baby sleeping in the next room. No amp will sound remotely similar at opposite volume levels between those extremes.

Oh, and on the shane thing....literally nothing he mentioned happened to me, but thats because he never took enough time to really get to know the amp. He refused to admit that but you can't speak from experience till you have had the experience, and he didn't have the experience of using the amp for any reasonable amount of time. I can say from experience i was able to improve the amp's tone considerably after as much as 3-4 weeks. He had his i think a week or less. Why did i have none of his issues? Trust me on this....i am anal as hell about tone. Is it perfect? No, but he liked his MIII and i assure you the GT is capable of tone thats substantially better. He also mentioned it's features shortcomings like switching limitations over the old mustang, and ion that i agree totally. But tone....nope, he's just wrong.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:09 am
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oczad wrote:
stratocaster1983 wrote:
I haven't gigged my GT-100 yet but I have gigged my old Line6 Spider Jam many times. First thing I realised is that the EQ has to be quite different when playing loud and live. What sounds good in my living room (with boosted bass and treble) sounds horribly thin in a band environment. You need to tweak those presets in a realistic situation and in conjunction with the other instruments to find your correct sonic space in the overall mix.

I finally did and the good news is i DID tweak it a bit but generally you can use the presets you use at home without having to EQ them a lot different. My MIII was the opposite. What sounded good at home was a nightmare live and to make it usable i had to use the SS112 cab sim which is dark as nite, then EQ it with a graphic in the effects loop. You'll find the GT far better in this respect. Of course i'm talking presets you made at reasonable volume, not 12 midnight bedroom volume with a baby sleeping in the next room. No amp will sound remotely similar at opposite volume levels between those extremes.

Oh, and on the shane thing....literally nothing he mentioned happened to me, but thats because he never took enough time to really get to know the amp. He refused to admit that but you can't speak from experience till you have had the experience, and he didn't have the experience of using the amp for any reasonable amount of time. I can say from experience i was able to improve the amp's tone considerably after as much as 3-4 weeks. He had his i think a week or less. Why did i have none of his issues? Trust me on this....i am anal as hell about tone. Is it perfect? No, but he liked his MIII and i assure you the GT is capable of tone thats substantially better. He also mentioned it's features shortcomings like switching limitations over the old mustang, and ion that i agree totally. But tone....nope, he's just wrong.



Did you find you had plenty of volume at your gig?

I will be using mine tonight with a band, i have a feeling this will be more than adequate for volume plus I will be using my 4 button ft switch with the amp so this will give me a chance to get use to it. I'm only using 2 patches so mostly turning on and off some fx.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:40 am
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Actually Elantric (member here and TGP) said the volume is not as loud as the old one and i thought it was. I was wrong. It IS considerably lower then my MIII but i had no problem. I never play incredibly loud and if i did i could mic it. But i doubt the loudest gig i have ever done would have left the mustang needing more. It might be at it's limit but i don't think so. I think i had my master at around 1:00-2:00 at the highest, but i also think the preset volume was only at about there too. So i think the volume is going to be loud enough for most anyone unless you're playing in a fairly loud band in a large room. Then you may have to mic it. But for the typical bar gig where the bartender will lambast you if you get too loud, it's gonna be more than enough. But yeah, Elantric was right about the GT vs MIII. The MIII was louder. But note some of that was tone. The MIII pushed big time hi mids at stage volume which will be perceived as much louder than a balanced sound.

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oczad wrote:
stratocaster1983 wrote:
I haven't gigged my GT-100 yet but I have gigged my old Line6 Spider Jam many times. First thing I realised is that the EQ has to be quite different when playing loud and live. What sounds good in my living room (with boosted bass and treble) sounds horribly thin in a band environment. You need to tweak those presets in a realistic situation and in conjunction with the other instruments to find your correct sonic space in the overall mix.

I finally did and the good news is i DID tweak it a bit but generally you can use the presets you use at home without having to EQ them a lot different. My MIII was the opposite. What sounded good at home was a nightmare live and to make it usable i had to use the SS112 cab sim which is dark as nite, then EQ it with a graphic in the effects loop. You'll find the GT far better in this respect. Of course i'm talking presets you made at reasonable volume, not 12 midnight bedroom volume with a baby sleeping in the next room. No amp will sound remotely similar at opposite volume levels between those extremes.

Oh, and on the shane thing....literally nothing he mentioned happened to me, but thats because he never took enough time to really get to know the amp. He refused to admit that but you can't speak from experience till you have had the experience, and he didn't have the experience of using the amp for any reasonable amount of time. I can say from experience i was able to improve the amp's tone considerably after as much as 3-4 weeks. He had his i think a week or less. Why did i have none of his issues? Trust me on this....i am anal as hell about tone. Is it perfect? No, but he liked his MIII and i assure you the GT is capable of tone thats substantially better. He also mentioned it's features shortcomings like switching limitations over the old mustang, and ion that i agree totally. But tone....nope, he's just wrong.



Did you find you had plenty of volume at your gig?

I will be using mine tonight with a band, i have a feeling this will be more than adequate for volume plus I will be using my 4 button ft switch with the amp so this will give me a chance to get use to it. I'm only using 2 patches so mostly turning on and off some fx.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:25 pm
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oczad wrote:
Oh, and on the shane thing....literally nothing he mentioned happened to me, but thats because he never took enough time to really get to know the amp. He refused to admit that but you can't speak from experience till you have had the experience, and he didn't have the experience of using the amp for any reasonable amount of time. I can say from experience i was able to improve the amp's tone considerably after as much as 3-4 weeks.

That's way too long a learning curve for almost everyone. If it isn't mostly understood after 3-4 hours and fully understood after 3-4 days, I'd call it crap and move on. Life is too short to spend it on esoteric knowledge when there's music to be made.


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Post subject: Re: Setting up the GT and footswitch for a live show
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 10:22 pm
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No it's not. The learning curve isn't about learning the UI. That takes 5 minutes unless you're brain dead. the learning curve is a deep understanding of all the settings and how they interact. If taking as much time as i did is a waste then don't. If you care about getting the best out of it then you will without making a conscious decision to. But yeah, many won't. Some of those will be happy with what they get quickly, and some like you may not then move one even tho what you want is probably in there. and i never got that tired old saying about spending too much time tweaking instead of playing. Really? I played my MIII more and did less tweaking than i did with any tube amp i ever owned. I spent the same time at first as i'm doing with the GT, but once i knew it like the back of my hand i rarely tweaked and played the hell out of it for 5 years. You can say things like that to make it sound like i'm an idiot for spending time with it, but i spent less time by far tweaking my MIII than any of my tube and and the same will happen with my GT. Besides, how do you figure tweaking will leave me with too little time to play? Do you not have any free time? Do you ever watch TV or do other less important things than playing? My life isn't very busy being pretty much retired and now i have far more time to play, tweaking or not than i need. Even when i was working i did.

In short, no one MUST tweak the amp for a long time but if you want the absolute best you WILL come to understand exactly how every setting affects the tone and feel and how they interact like the back of your hand. And if you want the best from it thats what you have to do and that takes time. We'll just have to disagree on this, but obviously you've not done it and i have so one of us might be a bit more informed on the subject.

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oczad wrote:
Oh, and on the shane thing....literally nothing he mentioned happened to me, but thats because he never took enough time to really get to know the amp. He refused to admit that but you can't speak from experience till you have had the experience, and he didn't have the experience of using the amp for any reasonable amount of time. I can say from experience i was able to improve the amp's tone considerably after as much as 3-4 weeks.

That's way too long a learning curve for almost everyone. If it isn't mostly understood after 3-4 hours and fully understood after 3-4 days, I'd call it crap and move on. Life is too short to spend it on esoteric knowledge when there's music to be made.


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