It is currently Mon Mar 16, 2020 9:26 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 
Author Message
Post subject: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Sun May 07, 2017 10:00 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:53 pm
Posts: 972
I've been in communication with Bret at the fender offices about this but he's really busy so i thought i'd post this here so more fender employees might see it. This is a big issue for me because it's keeps me from having my #1 most important feature of any rig i use. Rather than go into what that is for me, let me use a more easy example of what this glitch is. In the EXP-1 settings there is a setting called "revert". What it does is this....you have 2 modes with the EXP-1. Volume mode, which is indicated when the pedals green light is on, and expression mode when the red led is on. If revert is set to on it is supposed to make it so when you go from exp mode to volume mode the settings in exp mode go back to default of the patch. The problem is it doesn't work, apparently a firmware issue that needs to be fixed. Heres an example. Say you have exp mode set to wah pedal and volume mode is also set to on. So when in volume mode it acts as a volume pedal and in exp mode it's a wah pedal. Now lets say you exit the EXP mode to go from wah to volume. It does that, but the problem is that when you click the toe button the wah is at it's peak where it's just this thin nasty sound you'd never use for anything. Well, because the revert function does not work, when you exit to volume mode the amps tone now sounds like the wah at it's toe position because it does not "REVERT" back to the default patch sound. So the volume function is now working but the amp now sounds like a transistor radio.

This makes the pedal useless for many typical functions. ANY setting you use the pedal to alter in exp mode is going to retain whatever sound it has when it's all the way up when you go to volume mode. there are going to be a lot of people soon with exp-1's that won't be able to use them as they did with the old mustang and many who will buy the exp for use with thier new GT only to find the firmware doesn't work right. Please someone let the design team know about this and understand how important it is. Personally it ruins the amp for me as a gigging amp because i can;t use it in a way that is an extremely important function for me. It works perfect with the mustang V2 but not the GT. I'm begging, please ask them to get this fixed.


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 5:02 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:37 am
Posts: 4099
Location: New York
oczad wrote:
Say you have exp mode set to wah pedal and volume mode is also set to on. So when in volume mode it acts as a volume pedal and in exp mode it's a wah pedal. Now lets say you exit the EXP mode to go from wah to volume. It does that, but the problem is that when you click the toe button the wah is at it's peak where it's just this thin nasty sound you'd never use for anything. Well, because the revert function does not work, when you exit to volume mode the amps tone now sounds like the wah at it's toe position because it does not "REVERT" back to the default patch sound.

Ouch, that's a major oversight! How did this make it into production? Fender, if you'd like an actual guitar player to test your digital-based equipment next time, I signed up as a "digital tester" and never heard a word from you. Maybe ship me an amp next time and I can help weed this stuff out. Just a thought! :wink:

_________________
Please subscribe to my Image Channel!
https://www.youtube.com/user/b7567


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 7:02 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:53 pm
Posts: 972
I dunno, but IMO a huge oversight, and it's already caused me a lot of anguish because of what i used it for with my MIII and what i can no longer use it for with my new GT. I just hope they see this as important enough to fix asap.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Mon May 08, 2017 2:08 pm
Offline
Site Admin
User avatar

Joined: Sat Feb 17, 2007 10:40 pm
Posts: 2594
Location: Scottsdale, AZ
oczad, as per our offline discussion on this one - acknowledged, and I can confirm that it's been entered into the firmware team's queue for review.

_________________
Director at Fender. Guitarist & guitar collector. All views/opinions expressed here are my own and not Fender’s.

Follow me on Instagram:
@brad_on_guitar

And on Facebook:
facebook.com/bradonguitar


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:32 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:36 pm
Posts: 3
Hmmm, I just used my EXP-1 at band rehearsal for the first time and couldn't figure out why my patches seemed to be all jacked up...maybe the pedal is doing this with my MIII...


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:48 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:37 am
Posts: 4099
Location: New York
lswilliams75 wrote:
.maybe the pedal is doing this with my MIII...

Run a calibration to see if that helps:

scott-uk wrote:
The EXP-1 expression pedal calibration procedure is as follows:

-Press and hold UTIL while powering on, UTIL LED should light up for 1 second.
-Move the expression pedal between the desired heel and toe endpoints to set the range.
-Turn the encoder knob to the next Preset to complete the process.


To clarify a point that isn't explicit enough in the second step of the above instructions: you must first move the pedal, in one movement, to the desired heel movement; then, in one movement, move it to the desired toe position. Do this just once: don't waggle the pedal backwards and forwards, don't move it to the toe position before the heel position, etc.

Note: Do not calibrate while the pedal is attached to the MS4 pedal. Connect the EXP-1 directly to the amp for calibration.

_________________
Please subscribe to my Image Channel!
https://www.youtube.com/user/b7567


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:51 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:53 pm
Posts: 972
Well, it can and will alter certain settings when you play with the settings. The preset settings have a option to use the EXP mode or the regular volume mode or both. Or turn either off, If you use the EXP mode and select "amp/FX", whatever setting itls assigned to at the moment will be altered if you touch the pedal while setting it. then when you save your exp settings you are also saving any setting that was changed. For example, if you set it to amp/fx and the blue box shows the amp name, then the parameter is set to treble, it may change the treble control's setting in the amp settings and it will be saved along with the EXPO settings. Best thing to do is after you set the EXP settings, don't hit save just yet. Instead hit the preset layer button a few times to exit back to the preset and chack that all the amp settings have not been changed. If any have change them back. THEN hit save and the exp setting will be save too. But if you don't touch the pedal and know what you;re doing while in the exp settings page you won't have a problem. Thats not a bug, you just need to learn how it works and avoid pitfalls like that.

But the EXP IS buggy, just not in that way. They already fixed one bug in it and there are 2 left i know of, one that will probably not effect anyone except me, (long story) and another where the LED's act wonky, sometimes both being on at the same time or off at the same time or even not changing at all even when the switch is pressed.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 10:52 am
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:53 pm
Posts: 972
Wait a minute, i assumed you are having this issue with your GT because this is not the MIII forum. Whats the amp? The GT doesn't have or require EXP calibration.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:19 pm
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Wed Apr 11, 2012 7:37 am
Posts: 4099
Location: New York
lswilliams75 wrote:
...maybe the pedal is doing this with my MIII...

_________________
Please subscribe to my Image Channel!
https://www.youtube.com/user/b7567


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: EXP-1 firmware issue
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 12:52 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Mon Jul 16, 2007 6:36 pm
Posts: 3
Sorry if I confused you. I found the thread via a search on "expression" as I was looking for clues. I am indeed using the EXP-1 with a Mustang III v2 but since the documentation on the pedal setup is rather ambiguous, I was hoping to draw on the user community.


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 10 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: