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Post subject: Android app very limited
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 6:25 pm
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The Android Fender Tone App is sooooo limited. Doesn't show all the presets that the amp has, doesn't allow to add pre or post effects, can't create and save, doesnt have function to upload or download user created signal chains. Basically allows you to switch between the pre-programmed settings. You can change and manipulate these, but cannot save any changes.
Severely limited to what is purported. Is this a rushed release? Is there better functionality planned to be released so the Android app works like the IOS app? Will a new release come out that works as purported?


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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 9:26 pm
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I still don;t understand why anyone needs to control the amp from a phone anyways. What am i missing here? The amp has all the controls on it. Seems like one of those things thats total unnecassary fluff they did just because they could. Also worries me that when they start adding features due to customer feedback that they will add them to that instead of the amp where they should all be.


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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 10:09 pm
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So you choose to use the small interface on the amp which is okay but not what others choose to do. Your opinion is valid for you and heard. I myself prefer to control the amp with an alternate interface which is what Fender purported before the release of this amp ever occurred. I've used the IOS app and it's function and interface are great, user friendly, quicker and much easier to use IMHO.
My question is to Fender and what they purported, not to debate the individual opinions of who likes what feature. I am sure you care equally about my opinion as I do yours. I'm asking for information on what was advertised for this amp, not whether or not it should or shouldn't exist.
That debate is moot as the amp was released with Fenders word of specific functionality that has yet to be followed through with.
Per Fender, the App for Android and IOS were to function the same. I know Android App was delayed. So my question, to Fender, stands as to the function of the Android App. Will the Android App offer/contain the same functionality as the IOS App as stated it would from Fender and if so do we have any information on when this may occur


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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 4:17 am
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oczad wrote:
I still don;t understand why anyone needs to control the amp from a phone anyways. What am i missing here? The amp has all the controls on it. Seems like one of those things thats total unnecassary fluff they did just because they could. Also worries me that when they start adding features due to customer feedback that they will add them to that instead of the amp where they should all be.


Using apps to control the amp is awesome if you're working in a studio. I can sit in the control room and make adjustments from there instead of getting up, putting down my guitar and walking in the studio to adjust something only to find out I have to do it again. Talk about buzkill

I haven't tried the Android app but if it's as the poster says that's very disheartening and I really hope Fender plans on making this fully functional, to do anything short of that would be a joke. I use Remuda on my MIII v2 and it works like a boss.


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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 12:22 pm
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Thanks for the honest feedback, iceecat - will certainly pass it along. Without trying to sound smarmy, there's definitely a commitment to making ongoing improvements to the Android app, so these sorts of comments certainly aren't falling on deaf ears.

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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 12:37 pm
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Thanks Brad,
I just don't understand why the IOS app is so much better. With the IOS app I can pick an amp model, add some pre or post effects, set playlists....have complete control of the amp. With the Android app my only control is picking a preset and changing the volume. It is a complete joke compared to the IOS app. Is it a programming thing? I've tried it on a Samsung S7 and S8. As well as a droid turbo.


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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 2:07 pm
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It's not a coding thing. Freeware and one-man-team coders have
repeatedly shown that creating excellent editors for modern hardware
does not require corporate expertise, or approval.

It should be a no-brainer for such talented coders to be
contacted and assisted, if not hired, for the benefit of all.
Sales included. To continue to treat the Mustangs, old or new,
like toys for the poor, or second-rate alternatives to 'real amps',
shows a disdain for modern creativity.

Each Mustang provides a showroom of gear, and a plethora
of creative options. Each 'real amp'...well, not so much.

Is Android not the largest hardware editor target out there?
Are not Android devices far more affordable, and of
far greater variety, than a few expensive i-devices?

Fender is lucky that much of their competition
is weak or overpriced. But that is no excuse for
shortsightedness. Offering no computer app
at launch, or in the works, and the half-baked android release,
just adds insult to injury. The team captain, whoever it is,
really needs a new position.
Warehouse floor at MusiciansFriend, perhaps...
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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 2:30 pm
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Thedman wrote:
oczad wrote:
I still don;t understand why anyone needs to control the amp from a phone anyways. What am i missing here? The amp has all the controls on it. Seems like one of those things thats total unnecassary fluff they did just because they could. Also worries me that when they start adding features due to customer feedback that they will add them to that instead of the amp where they should all be.


Using apps to control the amp is awesome if you're working in a studio. I can sit in the control room and make adjustments from there instead of getting up, putting down my guitar and walking in the studio to adjust something only to find out I have to do it again. Talk about buzkill

This makes no sense, why would a guitarist in a studio be in the control room
with the guitar?

The engineers sits there. The player is in the recording area, or a booth,
If a studio is seriously using wireless, both engineer and player would have
connecting devices, and normal session communication.

If the guitarist is for some reason connecting to a jack in the control room,
the amp would be there too . No buzzkill, or needless walking in either scenario.

@ozcad, people are using everything they can get their grubby little hands on,
to extend and simplify their creative workflow. Laptops and tablets
on stage, on the commuter train, in the pro and home studio...
affordable android devices are the natural extension of that.
They can be at ones fingertips. mounted, warn, or handheld,
virtually anywhere, the amps little screen, not so much.

I've read that the screen editing is pretty well done.
Combined with the sound reviews people are sharing,
I hope to get a GT40 quite soon.
Cheers


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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 4:41 pm
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More on this topic is available over in the Support area here: https://support.fender.com/hc/en-us/art ... 5002300286

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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 4:56 pm
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guildorf wrote:
Thedman wrote:
oczad wrote:
I still don;t understand why anyone needs to control the amp from a phone anyways. What am i missing here? The amp has all the controls on it. Seems like one of those things thats total unnecassary fluff they did just because they could. Also worries me that when they start adding features due to customer feedback that they will add them to that instead of the amp where they should all be.


Using apps to control the amp is awesome if you're working in a studio. I can sit in the control room and make adjustments from there instead of getting up, putting down my guitar and walking in the studio to adjust something only to find out I have to do it again. Talk about buzkill

This makes no sense, why would a guitarist in a studio be in the control room
with the guitar?

The engineers sits there. The player is in the recording area, or a booth,
If a studio is seriously using wireless, both engineer and player would have
connecting devices, and normal session communication.

If the guitarist is for some reason connecting to a jack in the control room,
the amp would be there too . No buzzkill, or needless walking in either scenario.



Because a lot of times I am the engineer and guitarist and I want the amp in the studio not the control room and I much prefer to play in the control room.


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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 5:02 pm
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Am I missing something but the Site Admin has repeatedly said more Android support at the latest next week so hold your horses and let Fender breathe. There is always some glitches when a software program and a physical amp comes out. Everything has to be coordinated with this massive roll out. Also, as an Android user myself I know there are many different phone manufacturers to contend with unlike iOS. :D

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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 5:07 pm
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HIO wrote:
Am I missing something but the Site Admin has repeatedly said more Android support at the latest next week so hold your horses and let Fender breathe. There is always some glitches when a software program and a physical amp comes out. Everything has to be coordinated with this massive roll out. Also, as an Android user myself I know there are many different phone manufacturers to contend with unlike iOS. :D


Thanks for this. :-) I think / hope we're making it clear that there's both acknowledgement of the concern and a commitment to improvements. I can't promise any dates or specific features here, obviously - kind of the nature of the beast. But is there a plan in place and actively in motion? Absolutely.

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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 5:29 pm
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Thanks for this. :-) I think / hope we're making it clear that there's both acknowledgement of the concern and a commitment to improvements. I can't promise any dates or specific features here, obviously - kind of the nature of the beast. But is there a plan in place and actively in motion? Absolutely.[/quote]

Thanks for this. Wasn't ever being snarky, nature of my beast. Didn't want a thread for people to unfortunately do there flamming nonsense. Just wanted some info since the IOS rollout was simply awesome and the Android not so much.
Thanks for your response and hearing concerns. I will keep looking and watching for updates.


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Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 5:34 pm
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iceecat wrote:
Thanks for this. Wasn't ever being snarky, nature of my beast. Didn't want a thread for people to unfortunately do there flamming nonsense. Just wanted some info since the IOS rollout was simply awesome and the Android not so much.
Thanks for your response and hearing concerns. I will keep looking and watching for updates.


Ha, thanks and understood - good and reasonable questions there, actually. Again, I can't quote any timeframes or features here for obvious reasons (i.e., "Brad, I know you're just the web guy there but you posted on May 5th that such and such feature would happen by such and such date!!") but: I think it's a sure bet that you'll see improvements ahead. :-)

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Post subject: Re: Android app very limited
Posted: Fri May 05, 2017 6:36 pm
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Thedman wrote:
guildorf wrote:
Thedman wrote:
oczad wrote:
I still don;t understand why anyone needs to control the amp from a phone anyways. What am i missing here? The amp has all the controls on it. Seems like one of those things thats total unnecassary fluff they did just because they could. Also worries me that when they start adding features due to customer feedback that they will add them to that instead of the amp where they should all be.


Using apps to control the amp is awesome if you're working in a studio. I can sit in the control room and make adjustments from there instead of getting up, putting down my guitar and walking in the studio to adjust something only to find out I have to do it again. Talk about buzkill

This makes no sense, why would a guitarist in a studio be in the control room
with the guitar?

The engineers sits there. The player is in the recording area, or a booth,
If a studio is seriously using wireless, both engineer and player would have
connecting devices, and normal session communication.

If the guitarist is for some reason connecting to a jack in the control room,
the amp would be there too . No buzzkill, or needless walking in either scenario.



Because a lot of times I am the engineer and guitarist and I want the amp in the studio not the control room and I much prefer to play in the control room.

I think I'd get a GT40 to keep in the control room, your preferred location
for recording lots of times. I see Guitar Center now has new Mustangs
heading up the days email, will make time to try one out on the weekend.
Cheers


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