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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Thu Jan 10, 2019 12:11 pm
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I know....to be fair most of the poor reviews were when the amp first came out...so possibly down to firmware bugs....Love this amp.
Not got around to streaming backing tracks through it yet as having too much fun with the models :)


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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Sat Jan 12, 2019 11:53 am
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As i have said before i was going to sell mine till the V2 firmware came out so i could try it. Tried it and still was going to sell it. But i decided to try another speaker because as i have also said before, the stock one utterly ruins the amp at high volume and even low it;s not quite right. I also said how i have tried a celestion 100 and a EV and both helped but it still wasn't quite good enough. Both were 8 oms tho and the amp wants 4. So before i sold it i decided to try a 4 ohm celestion 100 and lo and behold it sounded much better. More so it FEELS better and the top end that was so strident before is now much more natural. So i have decided to keep it for now till i have a chance to do a jam with it and see just how good it fares. (or not) But it sounds so much better which i attribute to the output section not losing about 60% of it's power with a 8 ohm speaker and therefore not adding unpleasant distortion. In any case this is the best it;s sounded and felt since i got it and i very well may keep it. Mainly due to the speaker but i also FAR prefer 2 of the new models to anything previously, the Friedman and the bluesbreaker. Both sounded much better when i first updated to V2 but not good enough to keep the am till i got the 4 ohm G12T-100. Fender should have put this speaker or something similarly as good in it to begin with ! Nite and day would be the way i'd describe it.

2 issues remain tho...1-the EXP pedal does not work properly. Yes, in SOME cases it might like straight up volume control and nothing more, but even then the LEDs don't always light up the right way. (both on at same time, neither on, etc etc) Tho even there i find bugs. And 2-i can't believe how bad the knob acceleration is on many settings even after fender has professed to have fixed them. Some are jaw dropping bad......too fast and they just stall out or go the opposite way or just shake wildly w/o moving either way. Too slow and it can take 30 or more twists to get from 0 to 10. It's unbelievable they don't or won't fix this. I have never owned any amp with so many bugs. I appreciate fender's work to date fixing other bugs, adding things like EQs, and updating the models. But seriously, these bugs are unacceptable. At the very least change the fender site so that you no longer say the EXP1 works with the GT if u aren't going to fix it. I can only imagine how many people have bought one only to find it unusable. I've read a few saying that but i don't think many have the EXP1 or i imagine there would be a epidemic of complaints. Well, in any case I have always said the modeling is good but suffers due to the speaker and possibly the output section and/or cab, and with the new speaker i'm happy to say it sounds and even more importantly FEELS far better. Anxious to see how it holds up in a band mix.


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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 11:32 am
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Interesting stuff re. changing the unit.

So, when Fender say the unit in the GT range is "special"... why is that? Is it special because its ok for streaming music through it via the bluetooth? Or "special" because its especially tuned to work well with their modelling?

I'd be interested in changing the unit if it improved things. I'm not worried about streaming music through it but I would like to be assured the amp modelling would still be "right".


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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Mon Jan 14, 2019 4:24 pm
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What they mean is it's a special design made for them by celestion. What makes it special besides the fact it's made exclusively for the GT is that it's a compromise between guitar tone and streaming music. In other words, a jack of all trades, master of none. Celestion told me it's essentially a celestion 70/80 designed to handle a few more watts. look up reviews of that speaker and you'll see it's very telling. Of all the speakers i have looked at reviews for that one has the largest amount of negative reviews. IMO it's the worse speaker i have ever heard for guitar. It utterly ruins the amp's capabilities which are otherwise impressive after V2 and with the right speaker.


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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 2:34 am
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Thank you.

I'd be interested in your results with a band too. I'm not in a position to spend huge amounts on amps and lots of pedals so this amp seemed like an ideal solution. The speaker you suggest isn't beyond my reach though, so if it made a difference and improved things then I'd go for it.

Anybody else tried fitting a new speaker?


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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 7:29 am
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Celestion told me it's essentially a celestion 70/80 designed to handle a few more watts. look up reviews of that speaker and you'll see it's very telling. Of all the speakers i have looked at reviews for that one has the largest amount of negative reviews. IMO it's the worse speaker i have ever heard for guitar.

the Celestion speaker was a big selling point for me, but now I know - they make some real trash. Those speakers didn't elevate the Fender product line, they damaged Celestion's reputation.


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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 9:01 am
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You know, for every piece of gear no matter how good or bad there are people on both sides of the fence with respect to liking or hating it. So all i can tell you is what MY experience is. First thing to remember if you change the speaker is do NOT evaluate it until you completely re-tweak your patches to sound best with the new speaker because the difference is significant and settings that work with the stock speaker likely won't sound great with a different and typical guitar speaker. My take on it is that with the stock speaker the am didn't sound and more importantly FEEL like a real tube amp at all. Now it both sounds and feels like on to the point i doubt i could tell blindfolded. If u decide to try it all i can tell you is like i said i have seen people hate items that are almost unanimously loved by the majority of the online payer community, so i have no idea what u will think. If it helps, my personal way of using amps is to get a good vintage style drive sound with an amount of drive that will clean up well when i roll the guitar down to 4-5 with a strat or tele with treble bleed caps installed. As to what to get, thats not something i can comment on other then to say i think the G12T-100 (now called the "hot 100" after celestion changed the same but its the same speaker) is a great choice thats not real colored so it gives a good balance that works well with the fender IMO. The other thing that to me screams "proper speaker" for this amp is that with the stock speaker the settings like treble and presence and any setting that controls brightness all had to be set low to be usable. With the G12T-100 the sound is quite balanced with everything at noon the way it should be. Then you can just fine tube from there. This is especially true at volume where the stock speaker sounds bright to the point of being harsh and feels stiff. To me it makes the amp sound and feel very solid state to sounding like a chewey balanced tube amp. Lastly, consider this.....there are hoards of people that still say the old mustang line still sounds better. That amp came with a G12T-100 ! Coincidence? I think not.

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Interesting stuff re. changing the unit.

So, when Fender say the unit in the GT range is "special"... why is that? Is it special because its ok for streaming music through it via the bluetooth? Or "special" because its especially tuned to work well with their modelling?

I'd be interested in changing the unit if it improved things. I'm not worried about streaming music through it but I would like to be assured the amp modelling would still be "right".


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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:08 pm
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Wow oczad, sounds like you made a breakthrough with your last speaker swap. I still have my GT200 and use it a lot for practicing. Does the G12T-100 speaker make a decent difference at bedroom-to-basement volumes? I'm trying to decide if throwing a couple hundred dollars at my GT is worth it, or if I should just wait for the next big modelling amp to come out, or maybe look into a Helix?

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Post subject: Re: How are you all liking the sounds of your Mustang GTs no
Posted: Tue Jan 15, 2019 4:32 pm
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Like i said above, realistically i can't tell you that anything i experience will translate to you or anyone else. To me it seems unfathomable that anyone would not find the swap a huge improvement but then that's just MY thinking. It means nothing really because all i can tell is what it does for me and there are plenty of people who hate gear that i love. There always is. It's your call as the whether u wanna risk it, and with 2 speakers it's double the risk. Like with anything that can't be returned you take that risk. Thats why it took so long. If like with a guitar or amp you could go to guitar center and buy a speaker then return it if you don't like it i;d have tried a ton long ago. But i only tried what i already had which were 8 ohms and a WGS that i bought which WAS 4 but was a rather dull speaker. It may have sounded fine with V2 tho, i don't know. What the real breakthrough was for me was V2 AND a good 4 ohm speaker, not one or the other. If i had to use the old models i'd still be ready to sell it even with this current speaker.

As far as volume, the speaker definately sounds far better than the stock one IMO. (of course so does any speaker even 8 ohms ! ) But the real test is in a band mix because no matter how it sounds loud, it's really how it sounds loud in a mix where it's competing with the rest of the band. Thats the real test and i have no idea till i try if it will be great or fail. I have high hopes but i have had high hopes dashed more then a few times in this scenario.


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