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Posted: Sun Mar 16, 2014 7:38 pm
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I'm using the mixer to make my amp sound in stereo I have tried many different ways to make this work and still come up with nothing any help would be much appreciated tnak you

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Post subject: Re: behringer 502 mixer
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 9:31 am
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Hi MDW: others will have much more to say, especially since I have no hands-on experience with either the Mustang or the Behringer 502. But just to get things started... To turn a mono source, like a guitar amp, into a stereo image we have to find a way to create two signals and then pan them left and right.

One way of doing that is to record the amp with two (or more) mics. However, that's going to be hard with the Behringer 502, since it only has one mic input. It does have both XLR and 1/4" inputs on channel 1, but like with most mixers you cannot use them simultaneously.

However, you could connect the Mustang's line-out to, say, the line-in 2/3 on the mixer, and then simultaneously record through a mic into the channel 1 input. That will give you two noticeably different signals and you then use each channel's pan pot to shift the signal left and right accordingly, to create your stereo picture.

A reasonable recording argument for this sort of procedure would be to place the direct output from the amp in the foreground and only slightly off-centre, while the signal from the amp is placed in the background (by turning its level down somewhat) and panned over to one side. Since the mic will let you hear the room (i.e. give a more reverberant sound), unlike the direct signal, the outcome of all of this is to create a sense of space. It's as if you're hearing the amp in the foreground and its echo bouncing back from the distance and to one side. By experimenting with your level and pan controls for each channel and placing the mic nearer or further from the amp you can change the character of the resultant audio picture a surprising amount. Welcome to sound engineering! :)

Another possibility is to use an FX pedal that has a stereo output. For example, a stereo delay, such as the Boss DD-7. You could place the pedal after the guitar and send one of its outputs to the amp and the other to the mono input on channel 2/3 on the Behringer - that's the upper of the two 1/4" sockets in the line-in 2/3 section. Or, you could use a signal splitter before the delay; send one side to the amp and one to the delay pedal and then in turn feed its two outputs to the stereo inputs on channel 2/3.

There are many different ways of hooking things up.

However, one way or another, the objective would be to put the "dry" signal of the amp on channel 1 and the "wet" delayed signal on one or more of the others. Then you can foreground the amp on channel 1 whilst bouncing the delay from side to side in the background. This can be such a pleasing effect some people use two amps on stage just for this purpose.

There are undoubtedly many other ways of getting a stereo effect with the Behringer. Though you're likely going to need at least a bit more equipment - a mic, or a stereo pedal, and some more cables.

And a friendly note for the future. Even if you're going for pocket sized mixers something with at least two mic inputs can be SO much more useful than a single mic unit. The Behringer 802 would have made all of this far easier and more flexible, especially once you start involving FX send/return. Yamaha also make really excellent entry level mixers and their manuals tend to be superb - an easy-to-understand course in sound engineering in their own right.

Sometimes just a tiny bit more on the purchase price can yield huge rewards in usability.

Good luck - C

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Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 11:57 am
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Thank you for the information I was great help to me however could you get or make a diagram for so I would know where to connect the cables

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Post subject: Re: behringer 502 mixer
Posted: Mon Mar 17, 2014 1:30 pm
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Hi again. I'm on the move at this moment and just glancing in on my phone. But I'll see if I can draw it out for you tomorrow, when I'm at a desk.

And like I say, there's others here that have far more expertise at this side of things than me, so sit tight and I bet some more good advice will be along shortly.

Good luck - C

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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 4:07 pm
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midnitedarkwolf wrote:
could you get or make a diagram for so I would know where to connect the cables

Hi MDW. Righto - are a couple of quick pencil sketches OK?

First. I don't know the Mustang 1 v.2, but as far as I can see it doesn't have line-out connections on the back. It does have a USB connector: I've never owned an amp with USB so that's completely foreign to me. I'm guessing that if your mixer is the Behringer Q502USB then you can presumably run a USB cable direct from the amp to the mixer and the job is done? Check the manual. If that works, you can probably ignore everything below...

But what if your mixer isn't the USB version?

The Mustang does have a headphone socket and you can use that as a line-out. Actually, it will presumably be a stereo socket, so if the amp's on board FX are stereo then you have one possible solution right there: you could buy a cable with a 1/8" stereo connector at one end and two 1/4" connectors at the other (easily available from hi-fi/audio suppliers). Plug them into the channel 2 and 3 inputs on the mixer and, bingo, you have a stereo direct input from the amp.

...Assuming the Mustang outputs sounds in stereo, that is. That info is outside my paygrade: check the manual - or just see what you hear through some headphones.

Meantime.

What I was getting at in my first post is this. Using a stereo to mono 1/8" to 1/4" cable connect the amp's headphone output to the mono input in the channel 2/3 section of the mixer. Then put a mic in front of the amp and send that to the XLR input on channel 1. Like this:

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You can now use the balance knob for channels 2/3 to place the direct signal where you want it in the stereo picture, and the pan knob on channel 1 to do the same thing with the mic signal. Swoop them about; create your soundscape. Send the resulting stereo mix via either of the output options (in blue on my sketch) to your recorder or other device.

Or.

I mentioned you could use an FX pedal with stereo outputs. Stereo delay is a popular reason for using stereo with electric guitars, so I suggested a pedal such as the Boss DD-7 - but there are many other possibilities. Any pedal with stereo outputs is what you need.

Then you plug your guitar into the pedal, and you send one of its outputs to the amp and the other direct to the mixer - connected as in my next sketch:

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I also mentioned the possibility of signal splitting before the stereo pedal. This is an option... but I've a feeling we might be running before we can walk with that one. Try out the stuff I've drawn for you first and see how you get on.

...And there's always that USB thingy on the front of the amp. For all I know that's a much simpler way through all of this. What does the manual say?

Good luck - C

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Posted: Tue Mar 18, 2014 10:37 pm
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Thank you very much your help and advise is very much appreciated I just don't know what to say thank you again

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Posted: Thu Mar 20, 2014 5:38 am
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No probs - I hope it works out for you! And there's many other ways to go with this thing: experimentation is the name of the game.

BTW, what are you sending the final stereo signal to? A recorder of some sort, or...?

Cheers - C

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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:54 pm
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Ceri, did you freehand those drawings? :shock: Wow.

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Post subject: Re: behringer 502 mixer
Posted: Thu Mar 27, 2014 2:56 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
Ceri, did you freehand those drawings? :shock: Wow.

Haha - thanks, man. :)

Really though, I'm just so useless at Photoshop it's quicker to pull out a pencil and do it that way. So it's just laziness...

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