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Post subject: Re: Beginner Guitar Volume Advice
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:59 am
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No response, strings?
You answered another thread in this section after I made the post above and ignored this thread.
Perhaps I have my answer.

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Post subject: Re: Beginner Guitar Volume Advice
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 10:25 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
With Volume high the preamp section will clip, producing distortion

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I see no reason why those instructions don't apply.

Because it's a Fender Mustang digital modeling amp. Turning the preset VOLUME knob makes the individual preset louder or quieter. It does not induce clipping. If you want some distortion, you can turn up the GAIN. Or at least that's my experience as a Fender Mustang III user.

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Post subject: Re: Beginner Guitar Volume Advice
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:02 am
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When I had my Line-6 AX2-212, one of my favourite models was the Tweed '59 Bassman.
A lot of my presets used that model.
I also used the DR, Champ, Dumble and Plexi models a lot but mostly the Bassman.

As I said before, there was a physical knob for global volume on the main control panel and then each model had two "soft" controls.
Whatever you want to call them, there was one each for pre/gain and power/channel-volume.
On all of the models I mentioned, with the pre/gain set low and the power/channel-volume set high there was distortion.
Not as much as the other way round, obviously ... but it wasn't clean.

This is what I was asking you earlier; if the Mustangs don't work the same way.
I take it you've tried and found they don't.
Just looking for positive confirmation on that point.

Not trying to pick a fight but that was what I was referring to when a couple of times I said, "a good model".
I feel if a model is doing its job properly it should behave as I described above; like how a tube amp would behave.
After all, that's the intended purpose.

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Post subject: Re: Beginner Guitar Volume Advice
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:16 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Whatever you want to call them, there was one each for pre/gain and power/channel-volume.

On the Line 6, was the "pre/gain" labeled as "CHANNEL VOL"? If so, it does indeed seem to work completely differently than the Mustang amps.

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Post subject: Re: Beginner Guitar Volume Advice
Posted: Thu Apr 06, 2017 12:57 pm
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No, there was a definite gain section (that added volume as a byproduct) and another volume that was like a Master for that preset.

I first noticed that it acted like a tube amp "Master" pretty early on when I was attempting to balance the volumes of the various presets I was setting up.
The tones I had set up would sound different at different volumes.
I would have to go back and revisit the gain settings when I adjusted the (preset) Master.
I was actually impressed by that fact.
It seemed like they were being true to the nature of a tube amp.
The main volume control on the front panel had no affect on the various channels in terms of "drive".
It just made the amp louder or quieter.

I just assumed the Mustangs did the same thing since they also have three controls; one being hardware and two being software.
If you haven't actually gone to the trouble of trying a channel that way I'd appreciate it if you'd try.
I would be interested in knowing what happens.
I'm here to learn, just like everybody else.
Maybe sometimes to teach.

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Post subject: Re: Beginner Guitar Volume Advice
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 9:30 am
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Any tube amp consists of a preamp (ECC 84 and similar tubes)
and a power amp section (6V6, 6L6, El 34 and even a rectifier tube).
Having both at the same level creates a max volume by minimum overdrive plus the guitar's volume beyond 6.5.

The clue here is tube amps produce overtones by even numbers
while solid-state amps produce non-even numbered overtones,
thus sounding harsh or distorted a certain levels.

GAIN on a tube amp, a Mustang or GT is the preamp section volume.
It determines how much signal in conjunction to the guitar's volume level (also the resistance of the EQ on the guitar,
the cables used, effects) is fed into the power amp section.
VOLUME on a solid-state amp controls the power amp volume.
In a tube amp this is located behind the EQ (Bass/Mid/Treble).

The MASTER VOLUME is an overall Volume control on solid-state amps.

Bear in mind, all the controls are subtractive.

Means, the maximum potential of any amp unfolds at 10-12
of any potentiometer.
So, getting your sound, you have to reduce certain parameter levels drastically.
Like in a Twin, or Mustang this can get pretty loud.
Your neighbours may call the police instantly
and your landlord might consider kicking you out.
So user discretion is highly recommended here.

As always, are you experienced?


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