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Post subject: chord progressions - can you point me in right direction(s)?
Posted: Sun Jan 01, 2017 1:21 am
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hi everybody & happy new year!
just getting back into it all (again) after a long time away, started the usual exercises, scales, rhythms, beats, etc... but the one thing that's always been a bit of a mystery is chord progressions. we are all familiar with the I-IV-V progressions, but how many are there, what are they, and so on. i'm assuming they are based on selecting a scale, but i do know many great songs break the "scales" rules and simply sound great.
may i ask for your help on chord progressions? i have never been able to find any descent book or theory cataloguing chord progressions. would you know of any books of catalogues?

many thanks,
john.


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Post subject: Re: chord progressions - can you point me in right direction
Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2017 11:57 am
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I learned this in music theory when in college using Ottman books ; Elementary Harmony and than Advanced harmony, and it all comes down to the fact it is a Theory, so nothing is definite, and also what sounds best and to some the more dissonant the better, so you never know. As far as how many Chord progression are there depends on what your composing, FYI these books mostly deal in classical music and I, IV, V Breaks these rules, as I don't believe they were into the blues or rock
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Post subject: Re: chord progressions - can you point me in right direction
Posted: Wed May 03, 2017 1:33 pm
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The only book u will ever need is here:

https://www.amazon.de/Grundlagenharmoni ... werner%2Bpöhlert%2Bgrundlagenharmonik

Don't know if there's an english edition, but it's about music


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Post subject: Re: chord progressions - can you point me in right direction
Posted: Thu May 04, 2017 11:54 am
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So there are "cliche" chord progressions that always work.

I-IV-V
I-vi-IV-V


But then you can substitute chords. For example, I-ii (minor)-IV-V instead of I-vi-IV-V. The ii chord is substituted for the vi. Why does that work? Sorry, I have no idea, I was just told it does. :lol:

The chords correspond to scale degrees and follow the old "MAJOR-minor-minor-MAJOR-MAJOR-minor-Diminished (or Half Diminished)" formula when in a Major key:
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Post subject: Re: chord progressions - can you point me in right direction
Posted: Fri May 19, 2017 11:21 am
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Who knows?

Traditional harmony concepts ignore the fact,
any chord becomes a dominant chord by the overtone row.
The pivotal element in a dominant chord is the tritone,
the middle of a chromatic scale, 6 semitones, 3 whole tones.
This should be standard knowledge today, obviously.

In Werner Pöhlert's book "Grundlagenharmonik" the clue is:

Constant downfall of fifths equal chromatics.

"Who Knows" is a tune on Jimi Hendrix's Band of Gypsies album
recorded live 1970/71 at the Fillmore East in N.Y.
with Billy Cox on bass and Buddy Miles on drums,
The Band of Gypsies.

A transcription is available


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Post subject: Re: chord progressions - can you point me in right direction
Posted: Wed Jun 07, 2017 8:16 pm
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Still no clue about progressions ?
All of the above seems more or less true...

John McLaughlin once stated:
"Any chord can follow any chord in my book".

An in-depth study of progressions is here:
Arnold Schönberg - Harmonielehre.
No english edition needed -
98 % of the examples are in musical notation.

He used to be George Gershwin's tennis partner in CA,
also the inventor of 12-tone theory - wiki

The Gershwin "I got Rhythm" progression is: I-VI-II-V (1625)

(Tonic Major-Parallel VI minor-Substitute II minor-Dominant V7th

Cmaj7-Amin7-Dmin7-G7


This book, it will keep you busy for the next 20 years or so.
It also looks really cool carrying it around
(once you grab a basic understanding of it).

I even gave it a plastic envelope -
I did carry it around for many years studying it

Remember: You could never know too much

IMO, rhythm and melody is the name of the game,

Now, refresh your mind listening to Danny Gatton


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Post subject: Re: chord progressions - can you point me in right direction
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:11 am
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So you know many great greek songs, eh ? Do you ?

Sometimes it is necessary to restart and just listen

to George Benson, or Joe Pass, Vernon Reid, John5


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Post subject: Re: chord progressions - can you point me in right direction
Posted: Sat Jun 24, 2017 3:25 am
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You may also not have read:

Douglas R. Hofstadter - GEB, Gödel, Escher, Bach
an eternal golden braid

obviously, that's why you ask the same stupid questions
over and over again


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