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Post subject: Re: Blue note and expanded blues scale
Posted: Wed May 31, 2017 8:47 am
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It is interesting to read how some players define theory.

Theory is a philosophical thing and will never get your gig going.

Even trying to write a "dissertation" about a theme given by a professor who does not play, but instead is making money
telling players, it is just the way he thinks, is obsolete.

I once had a conversation with the guitar player of
"Supercharge", a band that really hit me in my guts then.

He told me:

"If the band is playing major, I'm playing minor, and vice versa"

This is something the Blues is about

Listen to Glenn Gould playing J.S.Bach: The Goldberg Variations:

He sings into his Steinway, thus overcoming the imperfect tuning


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Post subject: Re: Blue note and expanded blues scale
Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2017 7:46 am
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I just love this post. I always need to know why I am doing what I am doing. Thanks


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Post subject: Re: Blue note and expanded blues scale
Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2017 7:12 pm
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Harald4, if he's playing minor while the band is playing Major, they better be playing the blues.


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Post subject: Re: Blue note and expanded blues scale
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:57 pm
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Blue Notes wrote:
Harald4, if he's playing minor while the band is playing Major, they better be playing the blues.

:lol: LOL :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Blue note and expanded blues scale
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 2:35 pm
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Thanks arth1 .. lot of information there
arth1 wrote:
Proficiency: Beginner. Some theory might be useful also to advanced players...

...Let's look at the 10-12 fret "box" for pentatonic/blues scale in D, for convenience. It's halfway up the fretboard, where strings take the least amount of work to bend, and the D scale is often familiar.

To play a pentatonic scale with the blue note added:
6th string 10th fret = D
6th string 13th fret = F
5th string 10th fret = G
5th string 10th fret bent almost to the 11th fret = Ab7
5th string 12th fret = A
4th string 10th fret = C
4th string 12th fret = D...
Questions? Was this too technical?

Yup .. interesting .. but a lil' much for me to fully read ..

Then I saw the exercise tab .. Cool .. I can just DO IT .. (instead of analyze it)

OK .. Great explanation of why it's necessary to bend up to the blue note ..

or "flatted third" ..

What bothers me the most is your recommending the "flatted fifth"

or Devil's Interval

:twisted:

Many people have died playing that note!

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Post subject: Re: Blue note and expanded blues scale
Posted: Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:42 pm
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Thanks for resurrecting this danagos. Cool thread arth1.

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Post subject: Re: Blue note and expanded blues scale
Posted: Sat Feb 17, 2018 12:43 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Proficiency: Beginner. Some theory might be useful also to advanced players.

(Various stuff chopped)

Practice lesson 2, in A:
Repeat the same for 3rd-5th fret (A). This will be slightly harder.


It's probably worth pointing out a couple of things:

First, this is minor pentatonic; I know that beginners often don't really distinguish between major and minor pentatonic, but I think it's useful to make the distinction early, as switching between major and minor pentatonic is a very useful soloing technique for lots of blues songs.

Second, by calling out the 3rd and 5th frets of the A string for your key of A example, you either switched from the first minor pentatonic position used in your first example in D, to the fifth minor pentatonic position for A, or you just made a typo. The first minor pentatonic position in the key of A starts on the 5th fret of the sixth (low E) string, so your microbend on the 5th string would be at the 5th fret, bending D to not quite D#. If you really meant to stay in the fifth minor pentatonic position for the key of A, that microbend would still be at the 5th fret of the A string since that is one of the notes in common between the first and fifth minor pentatonic positions.

Finding the places for these microbends in all of the minor pentatonic positions is a good exercise. These ways of adapting to the imperfections of equal temperament tuning are a neat capability of the guitar, and using them gives our playing an expressive quality that fits right in with the blues.

Now, who's going to write the post about soloing by switching between major and minor? 8)


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Post subject: Re: Blue note and expanded blues scale
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2018 1:46 am
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Hmm - a lot of deep concepts on the go in this post. These seem to touch on music theory, pedagogy, practice, philosophy and philosophies of the the combined threads in the discussion.

So I suppose the outcome has to be defined in order to help clarify all of the inbetween processes?

Outcome 1: it sounds good (emotionally) implies ditch any conflicts in theory or apparent misunderstandings/misconceptions and just listen to it.

Outcome 2: it sounds good (bigword here) implies ditch any conflicts in other variables conflicting or not

Additional complexities seem to arise if the bigword in 2 above is one of these: theoretically, conceptually, conformally, identity, ....

In other words: how long is a piece of string? :-)

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