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Post subject: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 4:29 pm
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New to Fender- Fuse & SC.
When Fuse is running- no amp connected, there is a button for Tuner - right side under Fender icon. When I turn on the SC, make connection, sync, then there is not a Tuner button.

Should I have the Tuner? If yes, how may I find it? Get it back?


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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 6:58 pm
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Unfortunately, the Super Champ doesn't have a tuner. That's active when connected to the Mustang amp. I have both a Mustang 1 and an SC. I really wish the SC had the tuner. Welcome to the club, you're gonna like the Super Champ. Nice to have another Fort Worth person here (assuming that's why you picked that forum name).


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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Wed Jan 07, 2015 9:02 pm
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Long time lurker ... first time poster ...

I'm in the classic SuperChamp X2 vs. Blues Junior III dilemma. Played 'em both tonite - they are both great. Really, really great. I like the BJ tone a ton, but I also liked the SC X2 clean channel just as much.

So - short story long - do I have this right ? Channel 1 on the SC is NOT "all tube" ... there's still some modeling in there, before the pre-amp and power amp tubes ? And FUSE has more models and effects and such ? BJ III is all tube ?

Any advice / comments on the two would be appreciated. Really, really appreciated.

FWIW ... I'm a minimal effects kind of guy. Small amount of dirt, minimal reverb, a pinch of trem. Home player.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 5:26 am
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ScoggDog, that's an often confused point. The Super Champ has a tube power amp. The pre-amp, input, whatever you want to call everything before the power amp - is solid state. There is a digital sound processor, providing amp modeling, just like in the Mustang series amps. The main difference between the Mustang and the Super Champ is the power amp, the Mustang being solid state and the SC being tube. On the SC, the channel two amp modeling can emulate a dozen or so different amps. The channel one modeling is fixed as "Fender Blackface". So, yes, channel one is modeled, like channel two, but you can't change the amp being modeled.

The effects (also done by the sound processor) are not tied to the amp model. You select the "voice" or amp model you want, then you select the effect(s) you want. All of these can be modified in Fuse and stored in the amp. The effect can be applied to channel one as well as channel two.

I have both a Mustang 1 and a Super Champ X2. I got the Mustang first and was very impressed with the sounds it could produce. Being an old (really old) time guitar player, getting back into it after a long (really long) break, I wanted tubes. Tubes are what I grew up with, and that's what I wanted. I looked at the Blues Jr. Nice amp, but I knew the versatility of the modeling in the SC. That's why I chose the SC. I use the Mustang when I need to use headphones, otherwise I use the Super Champ. It's a great little amp. I couldn't be happier.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:45 am
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Thanks for the reply ... much appreciated.

One or the other is definitely in my future. I think I'm going to browse the FUSE software a bit. The idea of an SC X2 cab and head really intrigues me.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 11:58 am
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just wanted to add my 2 cents.

I own both a blonde X2 and a tweed NOS Blues Jr. The X2 is for home practice/quite jams and the BJ is what I use when I want to be heard. When the volume goes up and the X2 is not mic'd or the line out is not used the amp is hard to hear. Not a lot of clean head room. The X2 on ch 1 starts to loose its clean chime around 8. the BJ can play louder and still sound cleaner. Of course X2 combo has just a 10" and the BJ has a 12". I've always wanted to try the X2 head and matching cab with the 12" speaker. The BJ was avaliable and I was able to work out a good price. I'm really lucky to have both amps and plan to hold on to them for many years.

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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 12:10 pm
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ScoggDog wrote:
Long time lurker ... first time poster ...

I'm in the classic SuperChamp X2 vs. Blues Junior III dilemma. Played 'em both tonite - they are both great. Really, really great. I like the BJ tone a ton, but I also liked the SC X2 clean channel just as much.

So - short story long - do I have this right ? Channel 1 on the SC is NOT "all tube" ... there's still some modeling in there, before the pre-amp and power amp tubes ? And FUSE has more models and effects and such ? BJ III is all tube ?

Any advice / comments on the two would be appreciated. Really, really appreciated.

FWIW ... I'm a minimal effects kind of guy. Small amount of dirt, minimal reverb, a pinch of trem. Home player.


Sound-wise they are different because of speakers and cabs too. The 12" speaker is in too small of an open-backed cab and can sound 'boxy'. For me, that hurts the 12" advantage. On the other hand, the 10" sounds great in the SCX2 open back cab. I like 12" speakers but, they need 'breathing' room in an open back cab, IMO.

I have an SCX2 and enjoy it immensely .

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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 2:52 pm
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pdawg wrote:
The pre-amp, input, whatever you want to call everything before the power amp - is solid state.
The SCX2 has one 12AX7 tube in the pre-amp. Here is a link, scroll down and click on the specs. http://www.fender.com/guitar-amplifiers/vintage-pro-tube/super-champ-x2/2223000000.html#q=super%2Bchamp%2Bx2&qSubmit=Go&start=1

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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 6:51 pm
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Really appreciate all of your replies. Sincerely. Y'all are one hell of a group.

Going to get one or the other. When I do - y'all will probably be the second to know.

Neighborhood will be first to know. I wonder if they've ever heard Red House live ?


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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Thu Jan 08, 2015 10:46 pm
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spacewolf wrote:
pdawg wrote:
The pre-amp, input, whatever you want to call everything before the power amp - is solid state.
The SCX2 has one 12AX7 tube in the pre-amp. Here is a link, scroll down and click on the specs. http://www.fender.com/guitar-amplifiers/vintage-pro-tube/super-champ-x2/2223000000.html#q=super%2Bchamp%2Bx2&qSubmit=Go&start=1

The pre amp on a Super Champ X2 is digital. The 12AX7 is not the pre amp tube but the phase inverter.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 11:02 am
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Modwiz you make a good point about the speakers and how cab design help to shape the overall tone. This is something I really never thought of. When I listen to both amps side by side in my apartment at a decent volume the SC just sounds more "lush and fuller" than the Blues Jr. I think I now might be beginning to understand why some people referred to the B Jr. as being "boxy". For me a young 56 and new to electric guitar amps this is all new. I don't have those years of experience to draw from like those who started at a much younger age.

I spend most of my time reading threads without saying anything only because I still lack the experience you all bring to the table. However this is a new year and I'm committed to move forward and dive into this.

Which brings me to. For Christmas I picked up a Fender Greta to play with. My goal is to build a closed back cabinet with a 12" speaker and a more open back with 2 - 10" or 12" speakers this winter. Just need to due a little research on speakers and cab design. I've seen some beautiful stuff that folks have built both on this forum and the web. By keeping the cabs at 8 ohms it will allow me to use them with all three of my amps is my plan.

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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Fri Jan 09, 2015 2:35 pm
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DavidRamey wrote:
spacewolf wrote:
pdawg wrote:
The pre-amp, input, whatever you want to call everything before the power amp - is solid state.
The SCX2 has one 12AX7 tube in the pre-amp. Here is a link, scroll down and click on the specs. http://www.fender.com/guitar-amplifiers/vintage-pro-tube/super-champ-x2/2223000000.html#q=super%2Bchamp%2Bx2&qSubmit=Go&start=1

The pre amp on a Super Champ X2 is digital. The 12AX7 is not the pre amp tube but the phase inverter.

What makes you think that? Here is a link to the manual, which also refers to the 12AX7 as the pre-amp tube. http://support.fender.com/manuals/guitar_amplifiers/SuperChampX2_manual_rev-C.pdf

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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 5:15 pm
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yrfox2 wrote:
Modwiz you make a good point about the speakers and how cab design help to shape the overall tone. This is something I really never thought of. When I listen to both amps side by side in my apartment at a decent volume the SC just sounds more "lush and fuller" than the Blues Jr. I think I now might be beginning to understand why some people referred to the B Jr. as being "boxy".


The Blues Jr has a stock speaker that does not do it justice. Change it out for a different speaker and it loses that boxy tone. It is also a EL84 power tube amp, the X2 is 6V6's the El's are brighter and grainier, The 6V6's are smoother deeper and rounder sounding.

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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Sun Jan 18, 2015 11:06 am
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What makes you think that? Here is a link to the manual, which also refers to the 12AX7 as the pre-amp tube. http://support.fender.com/manuals/guitar_amplifiers/SuperChampX2_manual_rev-C.pdf

If you look at the schematic you will see that the preamp is all digital and the power amp has 3 tubes, 1 12AX7 as a phase inverter and 2 6V6 power tubes.


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Post subject: Re: Fuse- SuperChamp
Posted: Wed Jan 21, 2015 6:54 pm
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DavidRamey wrote:
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What makes you think that? Here is a link to the manual, which also refers to the 12AX7 as the pre-amp tube. http://support.fender.com/manuals/guitar_amplifiers/SuperChampX2_manual_rev-C.pdf

If you look at the schematic you will see that the preamp is all digital and the power amp has 3 tubes, 1 12AX7 as a phase inverter and 2 6V6 power tubes.
I have not been able to find the schematic, but I'll take your word for it. A schematic certainly trumps a manual.

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