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Post subject: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 5:13 pm
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*Very new to pedal usage

Okay I have a Mustang iii v2 and I only have 1 guitar, epi sg-400.
I picked up a digitech whammy pedal to save time when practicing so I am not constantly tuning up/down.

The problem is....well it sounds horrible. Since I am so new, it is hard to describe the sound....but it sounds like ghosty or like it is trying to get 2 sounds out at once. Sorry, that's the best I can describe it.

Currently I am running the guitar straight into the whammy then into the front amp input. Am I hooking this up wrong? Am I supposed to go in through the back? Or is this an issue with the Digitech and the Mustang not being compatible?
I was actually thinking about picking up a wah pedal, but this sounds so bad that I am worried that I will be throwing away money.


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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:31 pm
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You should try it patched in to the FX Loop Send and Return Jacks on the rear of the MIII v2.

The MIII's current firmware via the UTIL Button (8x presses) permits changing the I/O position in the signal chain. There are two options: Normal or Looper. Normal places the I/O pre cabinet simulation and works well for most FX, and when using Presets with identical cab sims or the Studio Preamp Model (that has no cab sim). Looper places the I/O post cabinet simulation.

See Fender's PDF on the Mustang support site about this Lopper feature.

Hope this helps. Do post back your findings so all may share in the learning.

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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 8:43 pm
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Here's the Fender Support Page with the PDF link at the bottom: http://www2.fender.com/support/articles ... 1433179551

The Mustang Support Articles page: http://www2.fender.com/support/articles ... ier-series also has lots of informative docs!

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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2015 10:23 pm
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The Digitech whammy is basically a fancy pitch shifter. You can emulate it with the pitch shifter that is built into the Mustang. You need to use an expression pedal and set it to vary the "pitch". I have set up the Mustang pitch shifter to nicely mimic the beginning of Lonely Boy/Black Keys, by setting the expression pedal to drop the pitch one octave down.

As to your problem... you mentioned using it as a way to avoid changing tuning. Whammy's or pitch shifters do not work that way. They all sound much as you have described for any chord work. You get really weird harmonics on most anything but individual notes. So I don't think changing its location in the signal chain will do what you are trying.

Not to worry, wah's generally do just fine in front of the amp. (but you can also set up the Mustang to do wah with an expression pedal - see pinned instructions in this forum). I have used a Vox and Cry Baby successfully.


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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 6:31 am
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I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. The pedal is the one with the whammy stuff on one side and the uptune/detune functions on the other. It is the detune functions that I am using.
I tried this morning running it through the effects loop and I get the same result.
I will have to look into that documentation you linked to.

The issue seems to be really prominent once you start playing around the 12th fret.


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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2015 11:49 am
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gruant2000 wrote:
I'm sorry, I should have been more specific. The pedal is the one with the whammy stuff on one side and the uptune/detune functions on the other. It is the detune functions that I am using.
I tried this morning running it through the effects loop and I get the same result.
I will have to look into that documentation you linked to.

The issue seems to be really prominent once you start playing around the 12th fret.
Sltmike mentioned the Mustang's Pitch Shifter feature. Even without the optional EXP-1 Expression Pedal, either of the Mustang's two Pitch Shifter MOD FXs may be used with any Preset. Give each a try if you have not already.

BTW, if the modeled amp you are using in the Mustang, is one with high Gain and Drive levels, try reducing those parameters or try a lower gain modeled Amp in the Mustang. Have you tried using the Basic Preamp model?

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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:00 am
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I tried the pre amp model, so far no luck.

The only thing I haven't tried yet is the pitch shifter mod fx's. I will need to investigate those further before I mess with them. From what I read so far, I thought those mods were more intended as a wah effect when using the exp1....not really for detuning. Am I wrong on that? Also I am not sure if I want to have to program special presets and be limited to only those. This is aggravating ! I actually did quite a bit of research on this whammy dt pedal and had not seen any reports of this.


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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 6:55 am
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Now I am really confused. I am trying to use Fuse to do the downtuning.
I watched a video and the guy used the American '90s Amp model.
Then clicked to add Modulation, then pitch shifter....then his adjustment knobs were Level,Pitch,Detune,FdBack,Pre Dly.
I have Mix,Pitch,Pre Dly,Feedback,Tone ..... no Detune
What am i doing wrong? lol this is turning into a comedy of errors


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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:42 am
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The Mustang has two (2) Wah FX aside from the two (2) Pitch Shifter FX. The Wah FX are avail in both the Stomp and Mod banks.

Once you get familiar w/ the LCD Panel and Data Wheel you can do most of what FUSE offers directly from the Amp (w/o FUSE).

If you have an Android device check out the Remuda App. Remuda supports Song Set Lists with full Amp and Preset editing and control! Assign your Presets to Songs and Remuda takes care of making those Presets available at the footswitch's Quick Access buttons.

Regardless if you use FUSE, Remuda, or on Amp control, you are never limited to only using certain Presets. Notwithstanding the Mustang's Preset concept, you are always free to readjust/reconfigure the Amp however needed. Saving a Preset gives an easy way to get back to a configuration you liked. If you use Remuda, it handily remembers your preferred FX and Amp settings, so you're not always starting from scratch.

Don't have a Digitech Whammy DT Pedal to test. What version Pedal are you using? You could also try phoning Fender Tech Service Lab to see if they have any insight.

I have not tried to use either of the Mustang Shifter FXs to replace detuning.

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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:46 am
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Post the URL of the FUSE Shifter FX video you watched.

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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 9:54 am
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here is the video of when I saw that detune knob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wynRTF2uC3Y

It is just so weird that I don't have that knob showing, I did the same steps he did.
His video wasn't exactly on the subject of detuning....but he did mention it.
He also showed how to get the same results right from the mustang control panel...and again I didn't have the detune like he did.

And here is another vid of a guy briefly talking of detuning.... no in depth of how he did it though. The description says he was using a mustang 1 v2...but I have a 3 v2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqO-6sKuYSA


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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 10:10 am
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MusicLaw wrote:
Don't have a Digitech Whammy DT Pedal to test. What version Pedal are you using?


Digitech Whammy DT model WHAMMYDTV-01
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ ... AlvB8P8HAQ


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Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 11:49 am
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gruant2000 wrote:
here is the video of when I saw that detune knob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wynRTF2uC3Y

It is just so weird that I don't have that knob showing, I did the same steps he did.
His video wasn't exactly on the subject of detuning....but he did mention it.
He also showed how to get the same results right from the mustang control panel...and again I didn't have the detune like he did.

And here is another vid of a guy briefly talking of detuning.... no in depth of how he did it though. The description says he was using a mustang 1 v2...but I have a 3 v2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqO-6sKuYSA
First video shows an older model MIII. My impression is that the Firmware and the FUSE version he's using were the earlier builds (before the (v2) amps came out and both the firmware and FUSE were revised. The Pitch Shifter knobs displayed on my amps appear as yours do. Haven't looked at FUSE's display of the FX, but I'd expect it to be the same as you are seeing.

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Post subject: Re: question about using digitech whammy pedal
Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2015 12:05 pm
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gruant2000 wrote:
MusicLaw wrote:
Don't have a Digitech Whammy DT Pedal to test. What version Pedal are you using?


Digitech Whammy DT model WHAMMYDTV-01
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ ... AlvB8P8HAQ
Looks like an awesome pedal! Shame it and the Mustang are not playing well together. You could call Sweetwater and have them try it with an MIII to see if they're able to get them to work. Or, if they encounter the same pblm.

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MusicLaw wrote:
gruant2000 wrote:
here is the video of when I saw that detune knob
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wynRTF2uC3Y

It is just so weird that I don't have that knob showing, I did the same steps he did.
His video wasn't exactly on the subject of detuning....but he did mention it.
He also showed how to get the same results right from the mustang control panel...and again I didn't have the detune like he did.

And here is another vid of a guy briefly talking of detuning.... no in depth of how he did it though. The description says he was using a mustang 1 v2...but I have a 3 v2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qqO-6sKuYSA
First video shows an older model MIII. My impression is that the Firmware and the FUSE version he's using were the earlier builds (before the (v2) amps came out and both the firmware and FUSE were revised. The Pitch Shifter knobs displayed on my amps appear as yours do. Haven't looked at FUSE's display of the FX, but I'd expect it to be the same as you are seeing.


In fuse on my Mustang III v2, on the pitch shifter there is no detune, as well as on the diatonic pitch shifter. That one has a key setting...don't know what kind of results that would get you.

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