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What's the highest volume you've played a Mustang II V.2 at & were there any undesirable sounds?
Please select the highest volume with no problems and highest volume with problems. (Undesirable sounds include, but are not limited to: Buzzing, Fizzing, Weird Speaker Vibration) Also, please reply to the forum with the details of your votes below. You may change your vote, since you'll probably play it louder at some point. 50%  50%  [ 2 ]
10─No problems Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
10─Undesirable Sounds Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
9─No problems Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
9─Undesirable Sounds Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
8─No problems Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
8─Undesirable Sounds Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
7─No problems Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
7─Undesirable Sounds Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
6─No problems Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
6─Undesirable Sounds Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
5─No problems Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
5─Undesirable Sounds Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
1-4─No problems Occurred 50%  50%  [ 2 ]
1-4─Undesirable Sounds Occurred 0%  0%  [ 0 ]
Total votes : 4
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Post subject: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2015 1:12 pm
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I've been experimenting with presets for over a month now, but I'm very apprehensive about turning it all the way up or even up to like 7 or so. (High volumes while using different FENDER Fuse effects.) I have a few reasons for wanting to turn it up this loud, but what I really need to know is how well the speaker has handled features you've used at high volumes─whether it's at Max, 7, or even 4. I would really like your input.

For example, how would the amp handle a pitchshifter set an octave down at 0 and 100% tone at high volume? Will this blow the speaker? Will using an overdrive at max level and the AMV at high volume blow out the speaker? I would like to hear about the effects of any and all combinations you're using when you play using the Mustang II at max/high volume.

Please respond if you have tried this with any effects; I would love to hear what Fender has to say as well, since they have probably tested this before sending it out into the world.

(I've only tried it at a 4 with an Overdrive pedal and the preamp volume in Fender Fuse at 10. No problems with sound up to that point. Haven't tried it any louder.)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II at Max Volume: How well it handles features
Posted: Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:28 am
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For the life of me I can't figure out why anyone would want to try such a thing...

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Post subject: Re: Mustang II at Max Volume: How well it handles features
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:02 am
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Imagine creating an intricate piece of music involving a switch to a pitchshift for the best part and then discovering in the middle of a gig that your speaker blows out because the speaker couldn't take it at that volume...That would stink. Hence, I would like to know if someone has tried it before. I should add that it's a Mustang II V.2, not an older one. I want to see what it's really made of, so I'm asking for any feedback from anyone who's tried it before.

FENDER, you should try it out too if you haven't already.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II at Max Volume: How well it handles features
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:48 am
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I'm not sure that's a realistic scenario.

First, I'm not sure a Mustang II would be a reasonable amp to gig with. It's more for practice. III's and above are more typical of gigging amps.

Second, whether it was a II or not, if the venue was large enough that you needed your master volume up to 10 to accommodate it, you'd be better off keeping the master volume low and mic'ing the amp. This is a modeling amp and you gain nothing tone wise from a higher master volume. All of your tone is managed through the preset channel, not the master. Not to mention an amplifier is not designed for projection of sound, that's the job of a PA.

This is like hooking up a 40 foot trailer loaded with bricks onto a VW bug and hauling it up the side of a steep incline just to see if the VW can handle it.

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Post subject: MUSTANG II V.2: HOW IT SOUNDS AT HIGH VOLUMES
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:28 am
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Obviously, you have not considered those who gig in areas that don't have PA systems...or much more than a power strip...There are places where it is appropriate. And yes, the master does affect tone at high volume. It varies from preset to preset, but there is a difference that works for some and tanks for others. Try to be a little more open-minded, eh?

And before you start attacking my statement again, let me just point out that not all musicians have $$$ to throw around on larger amps or mic systems. I'm simply doing the best with what I have. I am an experienced musician (albeit one that's been fairly conservative about using his equipment to the maximum potential), and I am simply trying to not go into debt right now. So I don't want to blow my Mustang II because I don't even have enough money in the budget to buy its little brother, let alone replace it or upgrade to a III or higher. I want to, but I don't have the cash. Maybe now you can see where I'm coming from.

EDIT: Edited title for more responses. I just want to see how far it's been pushed before so I know how far I can push it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 11:46 am
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Quite frankly I've never seen any need to take mine much above about 3 1/2 regardless of where I've played. Granted that's on a Mustang IV, but my other rhythm guitar player in the group seldom goes above 3 on his Mustang III. That's even on some pretty sizeable stages in concert venues both indoors and out. That's pretty much what we use in rehearsal as well. Granted, other than at rehearsals we always have pro-level PA's to work with, but that's more than enough to maintain a good stage blend within the group (7 people) where we can hear each other clearly. I would think if you go much above that it's not going to be much less than a roar on stage with the other musicians and hard to distinguish how to blend your efforts together.

By the way, if they don't have PA's what do you do with vocals?

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Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:04 pm
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My guitar does vocals... ;) It's only an instrumental group as of right now, so we haven't had the need to purchase anything for vocal mics. Our drummer spent a bit of money of really tough and loud heads, though. Not sure what that means exactly, but she knows what she's talking about.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:17 pm
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Is it under warranty? Then turn it up to 11 and see what it does.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:24 pm
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Your may find the best information comes from experimenting with your own amp. Using those combinations of Amp Modeling variations and DSP FX settings you prefer, gradually increase the drive, gain and intensity levels of your preferred FXs and the Master volume.

Long before you anywhere near approach damaging the speaker, you will are likely to hear undesired artifacts, clipping, and overloading of the DSP's capacity. This way you may quickly understand how to gain stage the effects w/o damaging the speaker.

I do not have a Mustang II (only the MIII and MIV), so I can not provide any specifics for you Model Mustang.

Nonetheless, I hope this helps....

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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 12:30 pm
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Could you be more specific on what undesired artifacts, clipping and esp. overloading the DSP capacity sound like? As I've stated previously, I'm very conservative about using my equipment.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Fri Sep 18, 2015 2:50 pm
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Experienced Musician wrote:
Could you be more specific on what undesired artifacts, clipping and esp. overloading the DSP capacity sound like? As I've stated previously, I'm very conservative about using my equipment.

Bad. They sound bad. He's saying to push the amp until the sound degrades. It doesn't matter how just that it does.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Sat Sep 19, 2015 1:27 am
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Experienced Musician wrote:
Could you be more specific on what undesired artifacts, clipping and esp. overloading the DSP capacity sound like? As I've stated previously, I'm very conservative about using my equipment.


Most commonly in the digital world clipping appears as a crackling sound. It may be slight and intermittent at first appearing only at the peaks such as when you first pick the strings. As you increase the volume the crackling tends to become something like a buzz and might make you think it's a broken speaker. It happens because there's an upper limit of allocated memory space for interpreting the sound and once you exceed that the digital electronics can't interpret it any longer until it drops below that threshold. That's why it occurs on peaks at first.

I've often wondered if there's not some kind of limiter incorporated into the logic of the DSP on the Mustang as I've noticed that certain effects seem to stop having an effect above a certain level.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 9:57 am
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This poll is asking way too much of the participants. People just aren't going to test all the volume settings and make notes in the way you want. At best, they're going to fudge it.

That said, when audible problems occur depends on the model chosen as well as the effects, and their settings, as well as the guitar's output. The permutations are so many that no one can compile the specifics for a forum post.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:43 am
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well it comes to the simple conclusion that solid state guitar amps cranked, no matter what they are, will almost always sounds like A S S


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Post subject: Re: Mustang II V.2: How it Sounds at High Volumes
Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2015 10:47 am
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arth1, the point of this forum is not to have users test them all, but to post about the ones they've used. That way, there's at least a small collection of data to go off of. Guidelines rather than complete directions.

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