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Post subject: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 4:17 am
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hi guys,

trying to help out a new mustang 111 v2 owner:

does anyone know if the MIII xlr outs can be used with only one line out to a sound board?

the manual doesn't say much about that, and I only have a MIII v1 that doesn't have the xlr outs.

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Post subject: Re: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 5:16 am
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Yes. The general convention is to use the Left output for mono but I'm not sure if Fender follows this implementation. Maybe TSL could comment/clarify.

By the way, if you're using just the Efx return as a power amp in for a modeling pedal (Roland GT, Line6 POD, DigiTech RP, etc.), you won't get a signal from the XLR outputs. If you're using the 4-Cable Method (4CM), you will only get M3 XLR output when you "amp loop" is active and post effects in your modeler may be absent from the send (again, the stuff that's applied directly and only to the M3 Efx return).

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Post subject: Re: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2 (TSL? Can you help?)
Posted: Wed Jul 22, 2015 6:43 am
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HI Paj,

the intent here is to use the Mustang as intended (Plug in to the input and use the presets/effects/etc).

he just want's to run a line out to the sound console so that it's in the "house system" without needing a mic.

I suspect that since the mustang is not a stereo amp, if he sets up fx in mono verses using stereo, either side should get him there. (or--- solve the problem completely by sending two lines to the board..)


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Post subject: Re: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2 (TSL? Can you help?)
Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2015 12:41 am
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KidBlast wrote:
HI Paj,

the intent here is to use the Mustang as intended (Plug in to the input and use the presets/effects/etc).

he just want's to run a line out to the sound console so that it's in the "house system" without needing a mic.

I suspect that since the mustang is not a stereo amp, if he sets up fx in mono verses using stereo, either side should get him there. (or--- solve the problem completely by sending two lines to the board..)


Although the MIII isn't a stereo amp I would imagine the XLR's would be stereo since it uses pretty much the same electronics as the IV and V. If it were me, to be safe I'd just use a two into one XLR converter cable and provide one output to the board/snake head.

It seems to me I remember some discussions about a difference in tone coming out of the XLR outputs at some point on this board. It kind of makes sense given the colorations the speaker adds to any given sound. That's why I've always opted to just use a mic so there's no disparity between what I hear on stage and what's coming out FOH.

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Post subject: Re: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2
Posted: Fri Jul 24, 2015 5:11 pm
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I was going to post a question on the XLR outs so if you don't mind I'll post here to reduce clutter.. I am very new to home recording and still getting up to speed on gear and terminology.

dunedindragon wrote:
I suspect that since the mustang is not a stereo amp, if he sets up fx in mono verses using stereo, either side should get him there. (or--- solve the problem completely by sending two lines to the board..)

Although the MIII isn't a stereo amp I would imagine the XLR's would be stereo since it uses pretty much the same electronics as the IV and V. If it were me, to be safe I'd just use a two into one XLR converter cable and provide one output to the board/snake head.


Actually the manual indicates that the XLR outs are stereo balanced line level outs to go to a mixer etc... They are labelled left and right as well which implies stereo.

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I usually try to take advantage of the various features my gear includes so I was thinking of outputting the XLR outs to a mixer and the mixer via USB to my computer. The mixer inputs would include my guitar via the M3, one or two mics and maybe a keyboard.

I have not been able to find a mixer with line level XLR inputs, but I'm looking at the low cost "hobby level" mixers not high end mixers. All of the $100 - $200 mixers out there have XLR preamp inputs for mics etc... The line level inputs are RCA jacks.

Are there any low cost mixers that have XLR line level inputs or is that reserved for high end equipment? I was thinking maybe it would be selectable but I don't see it. Like I said, I'm new to recording so if I'm trying to do something that doesn't make sense please let me know.

Thanks.


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Post subject: Re: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2
Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2015 9:51 am
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Post subject: Re: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2
Posted: Tue Jul 28, 2015 4:18 am
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I just use a cable with a XLR plug at one end and a TRS plug at the other. Works fine both with my cheap 4 channel mixer at home and the 24 channel mixer at rehearsal.


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Post subject: Re: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2
Posted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 6:24 am
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Newoldguy wrote:
. . . I have not been able to find a mixer with line level XLR inputs, but I'm looking at the low cost "hobby level" mixers not high end mixers. All of the $100 - $200 mixers out there have XLR preamp inputs for mics etc... The line level inputs are RCA jacks.

Are there any low cost mixers that have XLR line level inputs or is that reserved for high end equipment? I was thinking maybe it would be selectable but I don't see it. Like I said, I'm new to recording so if I'm trying to do something that doesn't make sense please let me know.

Thanks.


Virtually every live mixer I come across has the XLR (mic level) and 1/4-inch (line level) jacks on the XLR channel (and cautions to use one or the other, not both at the same time) but I have noticed that some very inexpensive USB mixers leave out the 1/4-inch jacks. The term "Line Level" can, and always has been, tricky to interpret between manufacturers. The "Line Level" meant for your 1/4-inch inputs is most probably very different than the "Line Level" on the RCA jacks. I think, as someone mentioned above, you're making an issue for yourself that you don't need to---the XLR outputs on your Mustang are designed to work with the XLR inputs of your mixer. As a bonus, the Mustang even provides a level adjustment for the XLR sends, should the pad/trim on your mixer be nonexistent or too "hot." It has been my experience over the years that, whatever modeling platform you're on, when interfacing with a mixer the XLR I/O is preferable to the 1/4-inch I/O. My worst tone-experiences direct-to-board were into the 1/4-inch-jacked "stereo" channels on a mixer; just completely different, in a bad way, than even converting 1/4-inch modeler outputs to XLR via direct box. In my humble opinion, use the XLR I/O, especially if you're recording, want your FOH send to sound like you expect it to, or if your signal is going to be sent back to you as a monitor feed.

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Post subject: Re: Question on XLR Outs on an MIII v2
Posted: Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:38 pm
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Actually, untill V2 firmware 2.2 the XLR outs (and headphones) weren't true stereo, I believe the delays were but the reverbs weren't.


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