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Post subject: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:27 am
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Hi all,

Yesterday I've made a preset for my amp (Mustang III V2) and after playing for some time I've noticed some crackling similar to the crackle when you plug out the input cable and it's very noticeable, the sound suddenly stops for a second and then cracks with a sudden big volume increase, it made me jump on my chair honestly a couple of times. I've checked if it's something wrong with my guitar cable or the input jack, checked if it happens with some other presets but nope, everything is all right so I'm wondering if there's a problem with the amp or this certain preset or with the firmware.

Here are the setting for the preset:
Amp: British Watts
Gain: 10 Vol: 6.7 Treb: 4 Mid: 8.8 Bass: 5 Reverb: Off Sag: Less Bias: 0 Gate: Low Cab: SS112 Pres: 7.8 Master: 10

Stompbox: Fuzz
Level: 3.5 Gain: 5.5 Octave: 5.1 Low: 6.5 High: 7.3

The crackling happens with the Orangebox too, but disappears with Blackbox, Big Fuzz and Overdrive pedals.

Thanks in advance.
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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:29 pm
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Same findings here on the MIII v2 and MIV v2 Units, configured to your specs and with Fuzz Stomp enabled!

Did not try with Fuzz Stomp disabled.

Did not try Orangebox.

Problem only appears with heavy attack/full & rapid strumming of all the strings. Problem did not occur when playing lead licks.

Problem more frequent with Guitar pickup Volume knobs set to 5 or higher.

Problem more frequent when Pickups are in Single Coil mode, than when run in Humbucker mode.

Alex: You have obviously found a recipe that can overload the DSP! Glad the Master volume was low. That crackle would have been brutal if the Master volume was at a high setting!

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 1:41 pm
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I have not experienced it with the Britt Watts as i don't use that model all that often but i did have a similar experience with the 57 Twin using the Fuzz. It was like a short burst of White noise when playing a lead.

I brought it to Fender TSL's attention as others had also reported it on this forum.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 3:29 pm
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That's interesting. Thanks guys, I'm glad that it's not an issue with my amp. So I guess something is wrong with the firmware.

MusicLaw: Yes, playing lead seems fine but doing rhythm with fast strumming or higher attack seems to trigger it, especially barre chords. Playing with the Fuzz off seems fine. I haven't tried single coils or lowering the volume on the guitar but I guess I will get the same results as you. I guess I've found a secret trick how to make a jumpscare preset on the amp!

captainc: I haven't played around with the 57 Twin with Fuzz yet but I'll try it when I have some free time, it would be nice if we get some response from Fender.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 4:01 pm
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It's a bummer because I was digging the 57 Twin but hesitant to use it. Not that I play out or anything. I mainly use the 59 Bassman now. I love that model. Very responsive to dynamics.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:05 pm
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If you have not already tried doing so, you may want to explore Gain Staging the Fuzz Stomp w/ the Brit Watts to see if this might rectify the problem.

Having then glanced back at your settings, the Fuzz's Level and Gain parameters are not extreme. However, you are driving the Brit Watts' Gain and Master parameters at "10"!

By Gain Staging (reduce the Amp's setting and slightly increase the FX's Level and/or Gain) you might find a suitable configuration that does not clip/distort.

What were the Amp and Orangebox Stomp parameter settings that produced the problem? Were the Brit Watts' Gain and Master also set at "10"?

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 5:44 pm
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That's a good idea, I haven't tried staging the gain. I've started from the basic Brit Watts preset on number 92 and went from there, didn't touch the master volume at all, it was on 10 already on that preset. However I have a preset with the British '80s amp driven with gain on 10 but master volume on 5.3 and Greenbox pedal with gain at 9.1 but blended at 32% and it doesn't have any crackling, so maybe Brit Watts isn't handling that much gain or something. I don't know, I'll try gain staging tomorrow because it's already late here and I'll tell you my results.
When I tried the Orangebox the settings on the Brit Watts were the same as with the Fuzz and I guess I didn't change any of the settings on the Orangebox since I was just trying to figure out if it's a problem with the Fuzz in particular.
Here are the settings on the other preset I've made with the Blackbox that doesn't appear to have clackling:

Amp:
Everything the same except Bass: 7 Presence: 4.5

Blackbox:
Level: 5.5 Dist: 5.5 Filter: 7.5



Edit: I was I bit too curious and I've tried it now, although at really low master volume, and it seems that gain staging does indeed rectify the problem, I've lowered the gain on the amp to 6.9 and increased the gain on the Fuzz to 10 and it seems that everything is all right, it even sounds similar to the previous settings at least at this low volume which is a bonus. I'll tweak it tomorrow to my taste at high volume.
Thank you very much! Cheers!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:11 am
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Great to hear that you have circumvented the problem!

I've often found that running too many parameters at Maximum (in all sorts of contexts) can cause headroom problems.

Look fwd to your further findings.

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Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 10:37 am
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Seems like some amp models are more sensitive to maxing DSP Headroom. I have a preset on my Fuse page "57 Twin Time and Money" that glitches out bad if you play a lead with it, tried backing down the gain a bit and still had issue. Switched to the 65 Deluxe and the problem went away and I'm pretty sure for the most part, the Gain staging was very close.. My "Hairy 57 Deluxe" preset is pretty similar and works fine as well.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:29 pm
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captainc wrote:
Seems like some amp models are more sensitive to maxing DSP Headroom. I have a preset on my Fuse page "57 Twin Time and Money" that glitches out bad if you play a lead with it, tried backing down the gain a bit and still had issue. Switched to the 65 Deluxe and the problem went away and I'm pretty sure for the most part, the Gain staging was very close.. My "Hairy 57 Deluxe" preset is pretty similar and works fine as well.

Would you mind posting the problematic "57 Time and Money" parameter settings (as stoner68 did in his original post)? I don't have the amps connected to FUSE.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Wed Jun 24, 2015 4:39 pm
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Hi, I'm here with some updates. I tinkered with the settings today and I was still getting some crackling even but eventually I've found a good spot for the gain and volume on the amp and the Fuzz. It seems that anything past 6 on gain and master volume on the amp is producing the problem so I ended up with these settings:

Amp:
Gain: 6 Vol: 7.5 Treb: 4 Mid: 8.8 Bass: 5 Reverb: Off Sag: Less Bias: 0 Gate: Off Cab: SS112 Pres: 9.5 Master: 6

Fuzz:
Level: 7.5 Gain: 9.5 Octave: 5.1 Low: 6.5 High: 7.3

So if anyone is interested in a fuzzy Brit Watts preset there you go, it's sounding decent for stoner rock songs, that's what I was aiming for.

This is offtopic: I was trying out the pitch shifter stomp on the amp a couple months ago and I got the idea to use it for downtuning in front of other pedals on the amp but I couldn't get some good results because it was sounding as it should while playing lead but it had some artifacts while playing chords, some kind of warble, I guess it's an tracking issue. Are there any tricks for setting up that pedal as well or is it a lost cause?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang III (V2) Preset Problem
Posted: Thu Jun 25, 2015 6:45 am
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The pitch shift only works well for single tones. I have yet to find a (affordable) pitch shift of any brand that tracks chords well.


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