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Post subject: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 10:49 am
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Would you guys agree that the main drawback for the Mustang and I guess in particular Fuse is the ability to only use one "type" of stomp box at a time. Does anyone with any Fender inside knowledge know if they're working on this?

Otherwise I'm quite happy with the amp and software for home practice and recording. Would even use it in a band if I could find people to play with


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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 1:47 pm
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It's a drawback, however you can do what some have done in the past. If you wanted say a compressor and an overdrive and maybe a wah. Use a wah and a compressor pedal before the amp and the overdrive from Fuse. The mustangs take real pedals just like a tube amp. If you have a Mustang 3,4 or 5 you can also use the FX loop for certain pedals also. Hope this helps.
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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 3:40 pm
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For the cost to buy just a few stomp box effects units you can get another Mustang amp!

Split feed your guitar's signal and run both amps.

You'll have a lot more effects combinations and tone choices, plus a much fuller and wider sound field. You'll also have a redundant backup should one amp fail.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 7:42 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
For the cost to buy just a few stomp box effects units you can get another Mustang amp!

Split feed your guitar's signal and run both amps.

You'll have a lot more effects combinations and tone choices, plus a much fuller and wider sound field. You'll also have a redundant backup should one amp fail.


Interesting idea. If I have a chance this weekend, I am going to play around with my Mini going into my IV.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Fri Jun 12, 2015 9:18 pm
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Archtop Bill wrote:
MusicLaw wrote:
For the cost to buy just a few stomp box effects units you can get another Mustang amp!

Split feed your guitar's signal and run both amps.

You'll have a lot more effects combinations and tone choices, plus a much fuller and wider sound field. You'll also have a redundant backup should one amp fail.


Interesting idea. If I have a chance this weekend, I am going to play around with my Mini going into my IV.
Hadn't considered doing it that way, but there's no harm in exploring. The MIV would drown out the mini if run side by side as I do often with the III and IV.

You might find patching the mini into the IV's effect Loop an interesting method with the IV's Effects Loop UTIL menu Looper setting in Normal.

Do post back your findings for all to share in the learning.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:47 am
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I guess the limitation of one effect per type seemed odd to me on an intellectual level at first, I can't say in practice it's been a limitation in any way. I've never run across any song that required more than one stomp or mod or reverb or delay at the same time. As far as a limitation it seems pretty well thought out.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 2:25 am
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dunedindragon wrote:
I guess the limitation of one effect per type seemed odd to me on an intellectual level at first, I can't say in practice it's been a limitation in any way. I've never run across any song that required more than one stomp or mod or reverb or delay at the same time. As far as a limitation it seems pretty well thought out.


^^

Maybe it's a good thing that we are forced not to use too many effects at once?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:37 am
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Notice how the noise gate is not in the stomp/effects banks? I was thinking maybe the compressor should be set up like that. Available on its own. I am pretty new at guitar playing so I have no clue if that is possible.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 11:59 am
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i8chillywilly wrote:
Notice how the noise gate is not in the stomp/effects banks? I was thinking maybe the compressor should be set up like that. Available on its own. I am pretty new at guitar playing so I have no clue if that is possible.
Nearly anything is possible for the signal chain when using effects loops, outboard gear, etc. As I recollect, the Noise Gate in the Mustang III, IV, V is found in the modeled amps' deep (page 2) Amp button menu. This deep amp menu is also where the Mustang's magic SAG and BIAS controls are found!

Post has been edited for accuracy. Thanks, JohnR242!

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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Sat Jun 13, 2015 1:54 pm
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I agree, if the compressor was setup like the noise gate; selectable on the second page of the amp it would be helpful. We could then have the compressor and any Overdrive or stomp together.
Also, just a note. The noise gate is available for all amps on the second page. It's the presence and master volume that were not available on certain amps, so to be true to the amp Fender did not put them in.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:12 pm
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MusicLaw wrote:
For the cost to buy just a few stomp box effects units you can get another Mustang amp!

Split feed your guitar's signal and run both amps.

You'll have a lot more effects combinations and tone choices, plus a much fuller and wider sound field. You'll also have a redundant backup should one amp fail.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:15 pm
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serge01 wrote:
dunedindragon wrote:
I guess the limitation of one effect per type seemed odd to me on an intellectual level at first, I can't say in practice it's been a limitation in any way. I've never run across any song that required more than one stomp or mod or reverb or delay at the same time. As far as a limitation it seems pretty well thought out.


^^

Maybe it's a good thing that we are forced not to use too many effects at once?


very true


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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:24 pm
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dunedindragon wrote:
I guess the limitation of one effect per type seemed odd to me on an intellectual level at first, I can't say in practice it's been a limitation in any way. I've never run across any song that required more than one stomp or mod or reverb or delay at the same time. As far as a limitation it seems pretty well thought out.



I can only think of one instance off hand. There's a band called Bloc Party and in the song "Octopus" their lead guitarist does this switch back and forth between two delay pedals which creates the melody of the song. I guess with an Mustang 3-5 and the footswitches you could set up 2 amps with the different delays and QA1/QA2 back and forth between them. I'll see if I can find a video of the song



here's some one explaining the effect



I know this stuff probably won't be everyone's taste, but it's the music I'm into.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Wed Jun 17, 2015 2:51 pm
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i8chillywilly wrote:
Notice how the noise gate is not in the stomp/effects banks? I was thinking maybe the compressor should be set up like that. Available on its own. I am pretty new at guitar playing so I have no clue if that is possible.

This is how it worked on my Boss GT6. You still could not use more than one OD or Fuzz etc. But you had the option of having a compressor in the chain and could go into the sub menus and move it if you so desired.

I like having a couple of extra pedals myself. It really helps alleviate the limitation of the single button/2 preset limitation of the Mustang I/II.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang /Fuse Drawback
Posted: Tue Jun 23, 2015 10:58 pm
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Multiple effects might be nice, but only if they can do it in a non-complicated way. I've tried a couple multi-FX boxes but with nothing graphical, I just never could master setting up anything. On on screen tool where you dragged the FX into place and then made the interconnections would be ideal for me.

Meanwhile though (just got a Mustang I a week ago), I agree that pedals play very nicely with it. I've used my TS808 and a Wah or Auto-wah and that all sounds good. What I really like is running everything into my Premier 90 Reverb and that into the Mustang. What I read about the 90 is that even with the reverb off, you're still going through one of the tubes, so in effect getting a tube pre-amp out of it.

So far, despite being a nearly 50 year tube guy, I've been impressed with the Mustang as is.


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