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Post subject: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:14 am
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So, guys and gals, I was wondering. If I connect the send from the Mustang Floor's FX loop into my looper, then from it to the Floor's Aux In, it should effectively bypass all of the Floor's effects blocks and preamp, right?
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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 11:41 am
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I've have seen a Fender PDF regarding the signal routing options for Loopers regarding the v2 Mustang amps.

Not sure if they have any similar schematic or block diagram avail for the Mustang Floor.

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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 2:51 pm
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Thanks, MusicLaw.
I'm mostly sure it'll work. I mean for the aux input to be useful, it should route the incoming signal to the main and headphone outputs, right? So I figure if the FX send is like that on the MIII and up, connecting something there should not interrupt the signal going to the Amp/Cab Sim and effects.
I guess I'll find out when my Floor gets here next week.


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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 6:43 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
I'm mostly sure it'll work.

+1 although I've never tried it, what you say seems to make sense. Here is the PDF mentioned above. Link

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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2015 9:20 pm
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Thank you, Strings10927.
Interesting though. I've asked at this forum before about the FX loop's position in the signal chain and was told that it's "pre" the preamp and effects. This diagram shows that it is in fact "POST" the preamp and effects!!! That makes a HUGE difference. All this time I've chosen not to buy the Mustang Floor because of bad information... I'm a bit pissed!! :x


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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 9:31 am
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Orcatraz wrote:
Thank you, Strings10927.
Interesting though. I've asked at this forum before about the FX loop's position in the signal chain and was told that it's "pre" the preamp and effects. This diagram shows that it is in fact "POST" the preamp and effects!!! That makes a HUGE difference. All this time I've chosen not to buy the Mustang Floor because of bad information... I'm a bit pissed!! :x
The block diagam does not specifically identify the Mustang Floor!

Most likely the Floor's FX Loop position is the same as depicted in the block diagram. However, to be certain it may be best to hear from Fender TSL or an owner of the now discontinued Mustang Floor.

There has yet been no indication that Fender will be introducing a successor to the Mustang Floor. They had nothing to mention when I spoke with them at Winter NAMM. Summer NAMM is only a few weeks away.

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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2015 10:52 am
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I own the Floor.
AFAIK and from just how it sounds...
The FX Loop is Pre EVERYTHING...
If you put a dirt pedal in the loop it would be exactly the same as plugging it directly into the input of the floor.


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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 12:00 am
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Thanks, Mojo Plasma.
I'm really hoping that the Aux In idea works.


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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 9:55 am
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Ahhh. I see what you are after now.
I do believe it will pass sound directly to the output.
You would use the loopers volume control to control sound level... but I doubt it would get the correct level.
I don't know, but I am guessing it would not get loud enough.
But I also THINK that the guitar signal would be cut out because when the loop is engaged on the floor and there is no signal present at the return it would stop the flow there so to speak. (correction, it would pass it straight to the outputs also)
Because I don't think the loop on the floor is parallel... I think it is series.
But I am really just guessing. I will do some testing next chance i get to see what happens when signal leave the send but does not return to the return.
It is an interesting thought.


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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 10:13 am
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I'm gonna email TSL right now. The maddening thing is that if the looper is indeed pre all effects and sims, it's pretty much useless. In an email, Fender TSL said, "The loop position will be what is shown as the normal position"...
I'm really hoping they're talking about the diagram for the Mustang III.

As for the looper's volume level, I really can't see that being an issue unless Fender stupidly put an attenuating resistor in the aux input.

Hopefully, the M Floor's effects loop is like that on any other device in that connecting something to the Send does not interrupt the signal but connecting something in the Return would understandably interrupt the outgoing signal. Can't see any reason why they would do it any differently but then again...


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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:42 pm
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Here's a bit more about Effects Loops.... (not that this has anything to do exactly with the Fender Floor)

http://proguitarshop.com/andyscorner/fx-loops-explained

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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:48 pm
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Well... you were right on the money, Mojo-Plasma.
The loop is Pre everything. What the F*>^ was Fender thinking?


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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 2:48 pm
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Orcatraz wrote:
Well... you were right on the money, Mojo-Plasma.
The loop is Pre everything. What the F*>^ was Fender thinking?

Yep! It is quite off-putting to say the least.

The only advantage in usefulness is that... you can string several pedals together in the loop and turn them ALL on and off with one switch.
Or you can have your favorite pedal "off board" as it were and still have it function like it was part of the floor.
I haven't really looked at the documentation... but I don't know if Fender actually called it an FX loop...
Think it is usually refereed to as an insert loop on the floor which is true in it's strictest sense. But quite misleading when most ALL digital modeling gear with a built in "loop" IS an FX LOOP!
But anywho... it is what it is i guess. I have griped about plenty on here... I have come to terms with it ;)


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Post subject: Re: Another crazy idea...
Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 11:53 pm
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Yeah, I guess I'll have to come to terms with not using the built in XLR outs if I want to use my looper. Talk about a bullshit decision by Fender.
Thanks again, Mojo Plasma.


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