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Post subject: Does fender listen to user suggestions regafirmware updates?
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 1:26 pm
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Is it just me, or could the tremolo use a slight volume boost? Since the effect itself is based on volume changes, it feels to me that the overall perceived volume of a patch drops when the trem is engaged.
Also, is there a reason all the reverbs are mono on the mustang III? Even though some of the modulation effects and delays are stereo? It sounds to me like all presets use a mono reverb, even for hall and room and such. Also, could the spring reverb be given more boing? I guess spring bounce? I can sort of mimic this using a very fast delay with the reverb, but that uses up my delay then.

Finally, would it be bad to allow the foot switch to be set globally as is, but also, make it assignable per patch. So maybe I want the 2 button switch to control mod and stomp. But on just a couple patches, I'd rather have it do reverb and delay. So globally it could be set to mod and stomp, but I could override that setting if I wanted on a per-patch basis.


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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:26 pm
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could the tremolo use a slight volume boost? Since the effect itself is based on volume changes, it feels to me that the overall perceived volume of a patch drops when the trem is engaged

As a tremolo effect modulates the volume between zero and its peak, then the average volume with the the tremolo engaged will be less than the same peak volume without tremolo. Thus engaging a tremolo will always create the impression of lowering the overall volume. This is the same with any tremolo, not just those on the Mustang. I suppose some tremolo units could have a 'boost' built-in to them to counteract this. You can achieve the same on the Mustang using two presets set to different volumes. You can't do it on the Mustang when turning only the tremolo on/off within a single preset.

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is there a reason all the reverbs are mono on the mustang III

This has been discussed at length before on the forum, with Fender confirming the behaviour. The reverbs themselves are mono (in that they don't do anything cross-channel), but they act separately on the left and right channels - so any existing stereo effects are preserved.


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Post subject: Re: Does fender listen to user suggestions regafirmware upda
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 3:44 pm
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I don't really much care that Fender has acknowledged the reverbs are mono. I wanna know why. It sounds silly to be running a stereo delay and chorus and then have it filtered through a mono cathedral. I've never yet walked into a cathedral that sounded mono. I think it should be addressed. Hence the subject of this thread. Spring reverbs being mono makes sense. Most guitar amps and spring reverbs are mono. But if you are trying to emmulate an acoustic space, like a hall or a stadium, that shouldn't be mono for obvious reasons.
And regarding the tremolo, if most trems decrease the perceived volume, again, that's great. But if most of the stomp boxes have a boost, why can't the trem, just for those of us who might want the trem at the same perceived volume, as ridiculous as such a thing might seem to want...


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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 4:31 pm
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I don't really much care that Fender has acknowledged the reverbs are mono. I wanna know why.

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Post subject: Re: Does fender listen to user suggestions regafirmware upda
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 5:59 pm
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Because the MIII is a MONO amp?


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Post subject: Re: Does fender listen to user suggestions regafirmware upda
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:41 pm
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pyroman wrote:
Because the MIII is a MONO amp?


With stereo xlr outs, stereo headphone out, and stereo delays and modulation effects...


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Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 6:43 pm
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Maybe it's done so that we all go gaga and HAVE TO OWN Mustang V.3


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Post subject: Re: Does fender listen to user suggestions regafirmware upda
Posted: Mon Apr 13, 2015 11:29 pm
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While the reverbs might not be "true" stereo, a few of them are still stereo. Both the Hall and Room reverbs, and the Ambient (from memory).

However something I recently noticed, with the positioning of the effects loop in the signal chain (and the fact it's a mono effects loop), if you're using this then all on-board stereo effects will get summed back down to mono. So if you want to use the few stereo effects you cannot also use the effects loop on the MIII. Bit of a bummer really.


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Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 1:16 am
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I don't really much care

OK, excuse me for trying to offer helpful information. The Mustang range offers an impressive array of amp models and effects in a useful combo amp at an attractive price point. Some of the effects are limited by the DSP power (along with other factors) available at that price point. Yes, there are other units that cost more money and can do more. If that's what you want, you're welcome to go and buy one of those. If the Mustang 'package' doesn't suit your purposes, that's fine, but that's just the way it is. You don't buy a family car then complain it doesn't have Formula 1 performance.

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if you want to use the few stereo effects you cannot also use the effects loop on the MIII

I suppose this is one of the reasons Fender offer a range of Mustang amps. You pick the amp with the price/features you want. The M4 has a stereo fx-loop which preserves the stereo effects. So if you want built-in stereo effects and don't plan to use the external loop too, the M3 is fine; if you need both, the M4 is for you.

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if most of the stomp boxes have a boost, why can't the trem

It could, and if worded appropriately is a perfectly reasonable suggestion to make to Fender. My supposition is that it doesn't for two reasons: first, most/all the effects on the Mustang are modelled after real guitar effects units; as mentioned above, conventional tremolos don't usually have a boost, so for accuracy Fender didn't include one. Second, they probably arbitrarily wanted to limit the number of controls for each effect (none has more than five, for no obvious reason other than perhaps to avoid clutter/complexity). If constructive user feedback is that this was the wrong choice, then Fender may consider changing it in the future (there is evidence on this forum of them making changes in response to user comments, eg the loop position on the V2 amps and the position in the signal chain of the EXP-1's volume control).


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Post subject: Re: Does fender listen to user suggestions regafirmware upda
Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 11:57 am
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Scott, none of my terseness was directed at you specifically. My point was, not that I don't care you told me, it's that I don't care that Fender has acknowledged they did this. I want them to fix it. Stereo reverb isn't a huge taxing problem. I have amp modeling units from 15 years ago that do stereo reverb. Again, the spring reverbs can be mono, like spring reverbs are, but acoustic space reverbs should be stereo. Only seems completely logical. I generally like my mustang amp alot. I've only had it a week. and the fact that a completely blind person such as myself can edit patches, save them, etc. is all very nice. A lot of digital gear is too overly screen and menu dependent for me to keep track of where i am and what I"m doing by memory alone. It's not like I"m saying the amp is a complete failure, I'm just pointing out things that I think should be obviously improved. So don't go getting offended on Fender's behalf, unless of course you wer the design guy who decided mono cathedral reverb was a good idea...then you should be mightily ashamed. (joke, K?)


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