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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Tue Jun 02, 2015 2:18 pm
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I've tried other cabs but never really spent any notible time with the 212c but i'll give it another shot and see how that works out. I do love that 410 bassman cab tho.

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I did change the cab to the 2x12C. Not sure if that makes the difference but It seemed to tighten it up on the cleans, at least to my ears with my Strat. I found it has a nice full clean sound with my neck pickup (CS69) and with the Greenbox set as previously discussed, it gives it just enough grit to give it some attitude for digging in. The bridge Pickup I have is the Duncan SSL-5 and at 13k, it tends to fight with presets I've created using the neck pickup. But this is probably the only preset on my amp that allows me to switch to my bridge pickup for a bit of chunky mids and it works swimmingly in both position giving me two very different sounds.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:01 am
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Personally, I love my Mustang 3. Yes, the effects are quirky but I think if you play around with them enough you get what you want. I have a twin reverb and s bunch of pedals but had I known better I would've stuck with just a Mustang at my level

I think the Mustang series is more geared towards amateurs to get a taste of many effects and many amps at a reasonable price. If you're a gigging musician or profession who is very particular about a tone, then you're better off with a tube amp and a pedalboard. But for those of us that are hobbyist and still learning, I think a Mustang is great.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:35 am
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If you're a gigging musician or profession who is very particular about a tone, then you're better off with a tube amp and a pedalboard. But for those of us that are hobbyist and still learning, I think a Mustang is great.


With all due respect I beg to differ. In some cases where the mustang doesn't replicate a certain tone as well, maybe. But i gigged constantly for 25 years with a LOT of tube amps and was a complete tube amp snob. I no longer gig regularly, but i still do occasionally and the few times i have with the mustang i prefer it live in most every way to any of the tube amps I've gigged with including some expensive ones. There is nothing ametuer about the mustang at all aside from the price and probably longevity. But with a 5 year warranty and such a low initial price thats not even an issue. If it died in 5 i'd just buy another and still be ahead because i used to spend that much on tubes in 5 years.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 11:53 am
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I never gigged in the pro sense of the word but i will say that I had a Hot Rod DeVille that was stolen a while back. I didn't need anything comparable to that anymore just needed to have something to plink on in the living room so got the Mustang II to hold me over til i had the loot to replace the Fender HR Deville. Well... the Mustang II has definitely given me a taste for the Mustang III so when i get the Mortgage paid down and some other things in order, i hope the line is still alive and kicking because i'll be upgrading to a better Mustang series and pair it with a few pedals as i do now. Maybe the version 3 will have a Looper... i'm gassing for one of those now. :D

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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:01 pm
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oczad wrote:
twiggidy wrote:
If you're a gigging musician or profession who is very particular about a tone, then you're better off with a tube amp and a pedalboard. But for those of us that are hobbyist and still learning, I think a Mustang is great.


With all due respect I beg to differ. In some cases where the mustang doesn't replicate a certain tone as well, maybe. But i gigged constantly for 25 years with a LOT of tube amps and was a complete tube amp snob. I no longer gig regularly, but i still do occasionally and the few times i have with the mustang i prefer it live in most every way to any of the tube amps I've gigged with including some expensive ones. There is nothing ametuer about the mustang at all aside from the price and probably longevity. But with a 5 year warranty and such a low initial price thats not even an issue. If it died in 5 i'd just buy another and still be ahead because i used to spend that much on tubes in 5 years.

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Yes, I have had many amps in my days and still have some tube amps. Nothing amateurish regarding the Mustang line.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:44 pm
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I never gigged in the pro sense of the word but i will say that I had a Hot Rod DeVille that was stolen a while back. I didn't need anything comparable to that anymore just needed to have something to plink on in the living room so got the Mustang II to hold me over til i had the loot to replace the Fender HR Deville. Well... the Mustang II has definitely given me a taste for the Mustang III so when i get the Mortgage paid down and some other things in order, i hope the line is still alive and kicking because i'll be upgrading to a better Mustang series and pair it with a few pedals as i do now. Maybe the version 3 will have a Looper... i'm gassing for one of those now. :D


When I was comparing the II to the III, I came to the conclusion that for "living room playing" the only real reason to get the III was for the much better on-board interface/controls. If you run your II from a computer you get almost everything now. Not saying that I don't love my III, but just to put this in the same box as your GAS and think about it. :)

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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:58 pm
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mh2000 wrote:
captainc wrote:
I never gigged in the pro sense of the word but i will say that I had a Hot Rod DeVille that was stolen a while back. I didn't need anything comparable to that anymore just needed to have something to plink on in the living room so got the Mustang II to hold me over til i had the loot to replace the Fender HR Deville. Well... the Mustang II has definitely given me a taste for the Mustang III so when i get the Mortgage paid down and some other things in order, i hope the line is still alive and kicking because i'll be upgrading to a better Mustang series and pair it with a few pedals as i do now. Maybe the version 3 will have a Looper... i'm gassing for one of those now. :D


When I was comparing the II to the III, I came to the conclusion that for "living room playing" the only real reason to get the III was for the much better on-board interface/controls. If you run your II from a computer you get almost everything now. Not saying that I don't love my III, but just to put this in the same box as your GAS and think about it. :)

Yeah. I just want the LCD screen and footswitch options. I'm quite happy with the MII, I just can't be bothered with Fuse if I want to tweak anything not right there on the amp. Granted I did take the time to configure the FX knobs which made a world of difference but the LCD would be even better. I really wish I had just sprang for the III. This is where Line 6 has it beat. That foot controller they have works on all of the models and connects with a Cat 6 type cable.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:09 pm
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Yeah, my girlfriend just bought a MI for travel and the knobs/interface are killing me!

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Yeah, my girlfriend just bought a MI for travel and the knobs/interface are killing me!

Have you configured the FX knobs with the Save Effects function? it was a game changer for me.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:58 am
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oczad wrote:
twiggidy wrote:
If you're a gigging musician or profession who is very particular about a tone, then you're better off with a tube amp and a pedalboard. But for those of us that are hobbyist and still learning, I think a Mustang is great.


With all due respect I beg to differ. In some cases where the mustang doesn't replicate a certain tone as well, maybe. But i gigged constantly for 25 years with a LOT of tube amps and was a complete tube amp snob. I no longer gig regularly, but i still do occasionally and the few times i have with the mustang i prefer it live in most every way to any of the tube amps I've gigged with including some expensive ones. There is nothing ametuer about the mustang at all aside from the price and probably longevity. But with a 5 year warranty and such a low initial price thats not even an issue. If it died in 5 i'd just buy another and still be ahead because i used to spend that much on tubes in 5 years.


I'm in no way knocking the Mustang as I love my M3. I was referring to pro vs amateur as in guys playing festivals, arenas, and clubs vs guys playing bars on weekends. If there weren't a significant difference pro guitar players (ie people getting paid WELL to play guitar) would've gone cheap long ago. As a matter of fact, as the hipster trend continues I'm sure we'll eventually see a guitarist on stage at Glastonbury with a M3 or M4 in the main stage proving a point.

Again, love my Mustang and love my twin, but probably don't (and won't ever) really need my Twin (You're welcome Guitar Center ;) )


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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:28 am
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twiggidy wrote:
oczad wrote:
twiggidy wrote:
If you're a gigging musician or profession who is very particular about a tone, then you're better off with a tube amp and a pedalboard. But for those of us that are hobbyist and still learning, I think a Mustang is great.


With all due respect I beg to differ. In some cases where the mustang doesn't replicate a certain tone as well, maybe. But i gigged constantly for 25 years with a LOT of tube amps and was a complete tube amp snob. I no longer gig regularly, but i still do occasionally and the few times i have with the mustang i prefer it live in most every way to any of the tube amps I've gigged with including some expensive ones. There is nothing ametuer about the mustang at all aside from the price and probably longevity. But with a 5 year warranty and such a low initial price thats not even an issue. If it died in 5 i'd just buy another and still be ahead because i used to spend that much on tubes in 5 years.


I'm in no way knocking the Mustang as I love my M3. I was referring to pro vs amateur as in guys playing festivals, arenas, and clubs vs guys playing bars on weekends. If there weren't a significant difference pro guitar players (ie people getting paid WELL to play guitar) would've gone cheap long ago. As a matter of fact, as the hipster trend continues I'm sure we'll eventually see a guitarist on stage at Glastonbury with a M3 or M4 in the main stage proving a point.

Again, love my Mustang and love my twin, but probably don't (and won't ever) really need my Twin (You're welcome Guitar Center ;) )


I think this tube amp mythology is FAR more about perception than it is about reality. I imagine most people would consider the late great BB King a professional and he got paid pretty well, and for years his amp of choice was a solid state LabSeries L5. A large portion of the pro musicians you refer to used amp sims in the studio to produce the sound you heard on their records. They use the tube amps on stage (along with some fancy switching magic in the background) to fulfill YOUR expectations of them using a tube amp. There is literally no difference between the sound that needs to be produced on the stage of an arena and the stage of a club. The PA system does all the heavy lifting in this day and age, not the amp.

Personally I think younger musicians would be better served to concentrate on their playing skills than constantly concerning themselves with nonsense about pickups, tube amps, and the coolest pedals and gadgets. The newest and trendiest amps and gadgets will NOT make you a better musician.

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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 3:41 am
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Personally I think younger musicians would be better served to concentrate on their playing skills than constantly concerning themselves with nonsense about pickups, tube amps, and the coolest pedals and gadgets. The newest and trendiest amps and gadgets will NOT make you a better musician.

can we get an AMEN?

looking at the latest Guitar Player... they are reviewing stomp boxes (for the 10 millionth time)...

the number of products is mind boggling.


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dunedindragon wrote:
Personally I think younger musicians would be better served to concentrate on their playing skills than constantly concerning themselves with nonsense about pickups, tube amps, and the coolest pedals and gadgets. The newest and trendiest amps and gadgets will NOT make you a better musician.


Amen!
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Posted: Fri Jun 05, 2015 7:50 am
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Personally I think younger musicians would be better served to concentrate on their playing skills than constantly concerning themselves with nonsense about pickups, tube amps, and the coolest pedals and gadgets. The newest and trendiest amps and gadgets will NOT make you a better musician.


Amen!
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Amen

I also wonder how many of the Tuberoonies that bash the Mastangs (or other good modelers for that matter) have even tried one for more than 5 seconds before dismissing it. I bet some of the very experienced players given some quality time with say a Mustang III and learned how to use one properly, could really make it sing. I have not heard Mr. Dunedindragon play but he seems to be one that fits this bill.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang (III) effects are very disappointing
Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 9:26 am
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>>As a matter of fact, as the hipster trend continues I'm sure we'll eventually see a guitarist on stage at Glastonbury with a M3 or M4 in the main stage proving a point.

You don't seem to get the hipster craze! It's all about old school and "real," you know... like getting a turntable to plug into your laptop (HAHAHA!).

The tube craze isn't about getting the latest and greatest technology, but the exact opposite! Searching old technology in search for a time before *truth* was lost.

I don't remember if I posted this here, but this is a piece (written around my response to a recent viewing of It Might Get Loud) regarding searching for obscure perfection in old equipment (ala. Jack White)... might be fun read for some people.

Was just at GC looking for an electro acoustic travel guitar, but plugged a nice Tele into a MIII, and jammed a bit with it set to clean '65 Twin with some classic reverb... ahhhh... perfection! :)

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