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Post subject: Using a floor as pedal board with a mustang 3
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 12:03 pm
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Hi,

I searched the mustang forums for a bit and I remember reading something similar but I could not find it again.

I noticed some used mustang floor units selling for around 130$ If I compare to the price of a 4 buttons footwsitch and a EXP-1 pedal; I am pretty close. Is there a way to connect a floor to a M3 and use it as a pedal board only?

I would need to connect it with the 1/4 mono cables I guess... Or effects loop? I know the floor is V1 and the M3 is V2. The floor would also be a backup unit in case the M3 fails. (this is what I remember reading a while ago)

Sorry if the question is dumb. I am new to this.

Thanks!

Mat


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Post subject: Re: Using a floor as pedal board with a mustang 3
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 2:02 pm
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Is there a way to connect a floor to a M3 and use it as a pedal board only?

Yes and no.

"NO" in the sense that you can't use the M-Floor as a footswitch/pedal to control your M3. The two are completely separate units.

"YES" in the sense that you could use your M-Floor for all your modelling and effects, and just use the M3 as a dumb power amp, by bypassing all its modelling and effects.

To do the latter, connect your guitar to the M-Floor input, and the M-Floor output to the fx-return on your M3. You don't connect anything to the M3's input or fx-send. You don't touch any of the M3 controls at all, except for the MASTER Volume. You do everything on the M-Floor.

If that isn't what you want, and instead you want to use the modelling and effects on your M3, then you either have to use the on-amp controls, or use FUSE, or buy the MS-2, MS-4 and EXP-1 for footswitch control. You could of course do a combination of both: use the M3's modelling for your basic setup and the settings you don't change very often (eg changing major settings on the amp between songs), then use the M-Floor for footswitch control mid-song.

For this, you need to think carefully about your signal chain path though; there are two options. You can have all the M-Floor effects in front of the M3, in which case connect guitar to M-Floor input and M-Floor output to M3 input; don't use the fx-loop on either unit. Or you can have all the M-Floor effects after the M3, in which case connect your guitar to the M3 input, connect the M3 fx-send to the M-Floor input, and connect the M-Floor output to the M3 fx-return. Which is better for you depends which effects you'll be using, where you want them in your signal chain, and which ones you want to change mid-song (with footswitch) or between songs (by hand).

It's hard to be any more specific without knowing exactly what effects, modelling, signal chain order, etc, you're trying to achieve.


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Post subject: Re: Using a floor as pedal board with a mustang 3
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:04 pm
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scott-uk wrote:
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It's hard to be any more specific without knowing exactly what effects, modelling, signal chain order, etc, you're trying to achieve.


Wow! Thank you very much scott-uk!! It is a super nice and detailed reply!!!

Honestly, I hoped I could use the floor as the "dumb" part of the setup. I will go with the MS-4 and EXP-1. I already own the MS-2 that came with my M3 V2.

Thanks a lot again!

Mat


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Post subject: Re: Using a floor as pedal board with a mustang 3
Posted: Wed Apr 01, 2015 5:40 pm
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Great info post scott-uk. :)

The EXP-1 and MS4 are a great way to go. And they daisy chain so it's one wire to the amp for both.

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Post subject: Re: Using a floor as pedal board with a mustang 3
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:32 am
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The EXP-1 and MS4 are a great way to go. And they daisy chain so it's one wire to the amp for both

Yes, the daisy-chaining is useful; one thing to add - you don't have to use the (long) cable that comes with the pedal. I use a short 6" patch cable to connect the MS-4 to the EXP-1. (I mention as it's been asked before and seems relevant to this discussion too).


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Post subject: Re: Using a floor as pedal board with a mustang 3
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 8:00 am
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scott-uk, perhaps you can add a little perspective to this idea. I've heard several times the folks wish that 2 mod effects could be used at the same time, which is not an available feature on either the Floor or the combo amps. As an example, suppose someone wanted to use tremolo along with chorus or flange or whatever. Would it be reasonable to use the M-Floor plus the MIII daisy-chained together to get this feature? i.e. guitar into M-Floor into the guitar-input on MIII and use both for the combination of effects that are unavailable on either device by itself?


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Post subject: Re: Using a floor as pedal board with a mustang 3
Posted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 9:05 am
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perhaps you can add a little perspective to this idea

I don't have a Mustang Floor, I just have a Mustang 4, so I can answer theoretically rather than from experience...

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As an example, suppose someone wanted to use tremolo along with chorus or flange or whatever. Would it be reasonable to use the M-Floor plus the MIII daisy-chained together to get this feature?

As far as I know, this would work exactly as you describe. You'd need to turn off the amp modelling on the M-Floor (well, unless you wanted two sets of amp modelling of course - re-amping or bi-amping is a perfectly valid technique!).

If you want two "post-" effects (eg tremolo and chorus as per your example), you'd put the M-Floor in the Mustang amp's fx-loop. If you want two "pre-" effects (eg distortion and wah, or fuzz and compressor, etc), then you'd put the M-Floor inline between the guitar and amp.


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