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Post subject: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 5:04 am
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All,

Just ordered a floor as a gig backup for my Mustang III v2 and Valve Amp.

I've been so blown away by the modelling in the Mustang that I figured that a floor would provide a good quality back up without having to cart around another amp. Plus the learning curve on the Floor would be small since I have already have my patches nailed on the Mustang III v2. So its should be just a quick job to manually transfer them and then tweak for that straight to PA situation.

However upon reading the manual I got excited that you could assign the unbalanced outs to different ouputs types i.e left to PA (Set to PA System) right to amp (Set to Combo). Now this got me thinking could I make my set up simple and convient by going out of floors right unbalanced (set to combo) into the Return of the loop on the Mustang and Unbalanced Left to the PA (Set to PA). Thus negating the need to mic up or having to lug a seperate monitor; plus the convience of the screen on the floor and all the buttons and pedal availabe in one convient package right in front of me.

Anyone else done this? Any comments on the set up. Would you set the out to "combo" (baring in mind that I am bypassing the amps preamp by going into the return).

Any thoughts?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 1:45 pm
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Yes I think what you're proposing should work.

However, also/instead: Can't you do this directly with the Mustang 3? Use the amp and its speaker as your stage monitor, and use its XLR outputs to go to the PA? Then you don't need to mic the amp.

(Agree with your logic of taking a backup to gigs, just offering other connectivity options)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:28 pm
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I need to drag the PA out and give that a try. Thanks for the suggestion.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 2:51 am
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I think you may have another problem using Mustang version 2 presets on the Mustang Floor which, I believe, only has version 1 capabilities.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Fri Nov 21, 2014 7:10 am
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problem using Mustang version 2 presets on the Mustang Floor

Not really a problem - you just need to be aware that the Floor doesn't support all the amp models and effects from the V2 amps. You can still copy presets between the two devices; FUSE will automatically convert a V2 preset when you copy it to the Floor (or to a V1 amp).

The conversion consists of substituting the closest-match amp model, and (I believe) disabling any unsupported effects.

So, as long as you only use amp models and effects that exist on both devices, you can transfer presets perfectly between the two and keep all the same effects and settings.

Or you have to manually re-apply appropriate settings on the Floor by hand to get the 'closest match' for anything FUSE wasn't able to convert automatically.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Sat Nov 22, 2014 4:11 pm
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Having received the Floor today - I wish I had read your post Scott-UK - I did not realise I could transfer the patches from the Amp to the Floor - could have saved myself a bit of time doing the manual transfer - doh!

The question I have got lingering now is IS the Floor really a V1. OK less amp models and FX but in the time I have spent with the Floor today side by side with the AMP v2 the models sounds exactly the same - if of course I accept the difference from a Amp Spearker to a PA Speaker.

The following support article makes reference to this
http://www.fender.com/support/articles/ ... mplifiers/
"Enhanced Headphone/Recording Speaker Cabinet Simulations (“higher definition”, same as with the Fender Mustang Floor)"

OK I digress somewhat here from the original post. The floor has a better in your face interface which is why I was curious on peoples thoughts on using the floor into the FX return of the Stang Amp. I also through that going direct from the floor into the PA or from the amp (as suggested earlier) would save me a piece of kit at a gig. However after due consideration from my ears I would say that I prefer the sound of a mic'd cab to an emulation of the very same. So it all works technically but not organically - for me anyway.

Great friendly input from everyone - thank you


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 9:43 am
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IS the Floor really a V1. OK less amp models and FX but in the time I have spent with the Floor today side by side with the AMP v2 the models sounds exactly the same - if of course I accept the difference from a Amp Spearker to a PA Speaker.

The models that are the same in the V1 and V2 Mustangs will sound the same (pretty much - I think I recall Fender saying they'd made a couple of tweaks, but nothing you'd particularly notice). The main difference between the V1 and V2 Mustangs is the additional models/effects and hardware changes (eg XLR outputs on the combos).

Having said that, the Mustang Floor V1 does have a couple of differences from the V1 combo amps; it has a 'studio' amp model (which basically bypasses the amp modelling), and I think it duplicates a couple of effects across the different groups (stomp, mod, etc) to allow more combinations of effects.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Sun Nov 23, 2014 1:42 pm
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Thanks scott - You've just confirmed what my ears were telling me.

I am very very impressed with the floor. I've gained some Stereo FX and lost my Ranger Pedal. But I have now a very light weight credible backup if everything goes belly up in a gig.

Cheers


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang Foor Plus Fender Mustang III V2
Posted: Mon Nov 24, 2014 1:54 am
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I've gained some Stereo FX

For completeness, the Mustang 3 has exactly the same stereo effects - it's just that you can't hear them through the amp's single speaker.

But if you use the amp's stereo XLR outputs (or the headphones out, or the USB audio out), you'll get the full stereo.

So if, as suggested above, you use the Mustang 3 as your stage monitor, and use its XLR outputs to go to the PA (rather than micing the amp), you can make full use of the stereo effects, the same as you get with sending your Mustang Floor's stereo output to the PA.

Just mentioning in case that's useful to you.


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