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Post subject: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:45 pm
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First time post.

I am not new to modelling used L6 gear for a number of years on the circuit before I went back to real amps.

OK so I've set up a typical clean, crunch, lead/ high gain patch scenario. I am using the British 80s for Lead/ high gain. And in fact that is the patch that I will sit with 75% of the time. I've added an overdrive to give some more cut on the solos.

However I know that until I get this in a live setting i.e. a proper room with an audience that I am not going to know if this patch is going to hang properly with the band and venue. Before I have to make any major tweaks on the fly has any one got any tips or learning points on getting this model to sit correctly in the mix and cut through correclty. If it helps I used the the Balls to the Wall preset as a starting point for the EQ. I of course drumped the rediculous reverb.

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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 7:05 pm
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My suggestion would be to try replacing the overdrive by the ranger effect: it add mids to help you get thru the mix and at the same time adds lo-cut and hi-cut controls to refine your tone without having to touch the amp eq. Alone it might sound bizarre, but add another guitar, a bass and drums and it starts to make sense.


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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 8:08 pm
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Yes... def push the mids :wink: ToneRanger is a good choice for Single Coils.. but if using a bucker you may want to push the treble a bit on the dirt pedal...

ie; OD set to something like:
Treble - 9ish
Mid - 7 1/2ish
Bass - 4ish
Gain - to taste
Level - to taste.... that should push thru decent. Works well for me anyways

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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 1:53 am
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It's a little hard to give recommendations of how it will sit in the mix without knowing more info like which Mustang amp you're using (the models are slightly different in their frequency responses), what guitar you're playing, what are the other instruments in the band, and whether you're mic'ing it or going DI. Typically I can pretty easily do my final tweaks on any new presets at band rehearsals even though we're not mic'd. It's a lot easier to move around and hear it from different locations.

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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 2:23 am
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Thanks everyone for the advice so far.

Yes silly me forgot to mention my gear
Mustang III v2
Gibson Les Paul Standard
Alwasy mic into the PA
Band: Drums, Bass, Guitar (me), Vox (Me)

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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2014 5:15 pm
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Worked on this a bit more today dropped both the Gain and Bass and that's helped the clarrity no end.

I've tried the ranger pedal - which I would have bypassed - and yeah this works, helps the solos to jump. Same thing with OD setings. I have a couple of different patches now both utilising one or other of these pedals. Must say that surprisingly I prefer these two pedals over the Tube Screamer.

The only area I am struggling with now is the reverb. Small Hall is the best I can do at the moment - the spring reverb - just sounded wrong. I noticed that many of the patches created by the user community either use a short tape delay, plate, or small hall. I could do with the delay set longer for solos so I am a bit stuck. Understand I am trying to use the Mustang to its fullest extent hence I am trying to avoid using my pedal board. This will be my grab and go amp for smaller gigs, tricky set ups, small spaces and dreaded upstaries venues.

Anyone else struggled wth the reverb on this amp? Any advice?


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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 2:20 am
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Typically on my heavier tones that need some reverb I use a combination of a bit of spring reverb and a touch of delay. Not a whole lot of either. But the combination of the two gives it a bit more depth without being muddy.

I can't imagine you would have much problem sitting nicely in the mix with just the three instruments. It gets more dicey when you add more than just bass and drums to find a good sonic space. We have two guitars, one using a Mustang III and I use a Mustang IV. The Mustang III generally has a pretty accurate representation of frequencies on bass, mid, and treble whereas the IV is a bit more bassy so I typically roll off a lot of bass. Just be careful about your mic placement and you should be fine. Both amps are a bit shrill if you mic too close to the center of the cone. I always mic about and inch or so off of the outer perimeter of the center cone and I get really good results. Make sure you have a tilt stand and that you're positioned far enough away from the amp so what you hear is a decent representation of your tone. In our experience if you have the amp not tilted and are too close to the amp it will sound bassy or muddy to your ears and you'll have a tendency to punch up the top end making the actual sound into the mic way too piercing.

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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:32 am
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Suggestion.... to get the best live sound... use the XLR out to the PA.
With verb... go easy... set the level on verbs low.
Small Hall works well with the Marshall models... and other high gain models too... spring verb does not work well w/ high gain...

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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Thu Oct 30, 2014 6:44 am
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beyond a certain gain, I prefer to add just a very short delay (30msec or so) to get some slapback.
I find that adding reverb, particularly with power chords, is a recipe for unwanted results :)

for lead guitar situation may be different. you may take a look at the default preset named "liquid solo" for some inspiration.


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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 2:53 am
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Thank you everyone for your great suggestions. Getting pretty close now with some great tones following all of the above.


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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 10:34 am
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Your main concern is how it works out live, so i would have one piece of advice. this works quite well even tho it should be pretty obvious. But crank some tunes and jam along. Any issues you will have in a stage mix should become instantly obvious. The louder you can get away with the better because of tonal changes as you get louder. But you can do it at levels that won't bring the cops. then just relize that onstag at louder volumes you may have to subtract a bit of high end, but otherwise it should get you very close. By the way, try the 70's marshall too. I liked the 80's more for a long while but after a time and more tweaking i came to realize it seems to sound better thru a mix even tho the 80's may sound more lively and better alone.


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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Fri Oct 31, 2014 5:14 pm
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To be frank I've just gone to the amps I know well. I have been just trying to build 3 tones clean, crunch, and lead that will hopefully sit with the band ready for the next gig.

That said I am a great admirer of 70's Marshalls and need to explore the sounds that the British 70s and all other amps on the stang can give me.


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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 12:19 am
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81LesPaul wrote:
To be frank I've just gone to the amps I know well. I have been just trying to build 3 tones clean, crunch, and lead that will hopefully sit with the band ready for the next gig.

That said I am a great admirer of 70's Marshalls and need to explore the sounds that the British 70s and all other amps on the stang can give me.


Don't overlook the British Watts which is the HiWatt. I've been able to use it to get a really great tone based on Joe Perry from Aerosmith. Lots of punch and clarity with a solid overdriven sound. One of my more useful presets.

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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Sat Nov 01, 2014 8:30 am
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[quote="jedi2b"]beyond a certain gain, I prefer to add just a very short delay (30msec or so) to get some slapback.
I find that adding reverb, particularly with power chords, is a recipe for unwanted results :)

Tried this and thanks for suggestion.


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Post subject: Re: Tips on British 80s
Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2014 3:02 pm
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Thanks everyone for your suggestions. With all your help I've seem to have got things about worked out across a number of patches all using British 80s and utilising some of the things above such as the Ranger, a slap back delay and small hall verb.

One thing I did like was adding a very small amount of chorus to the patch, this seems to take a little bit of edge out while making some of the high notes more articulate. I remembered that Big Hair rock bands often did this - and of course the Stang delivered the results.

This is one hell of a piece of gear - so much better than the modelling stuff I had before - which to be frank I got totally fed up with which is why I went back to traditional amps.

Cannot wait now for that first gig with this in a couple of weeks. I hope it works out well because I have a whole string of gigs up to Christmas that are crying out for the stang rather than a traditional amp with one volume.


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