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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 8:44 am
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Hi Ray,

I am happy to assist. It also looks like you guys have a lively conversation going here. And I like your note about the guitar, amp, cable and extra string or two. Things are certainly more complex today.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:02 pm
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Hi Everybody:

I appreciate all the responses. I am very impressed by this forum, especially the input from the Fender folks. I have been on many other forums run by manufacturers and typically they don't respond to questions that are posed. I always found that odd as they are running the forum.

Part of me is very tempted to wait until the NAMM show in January to see if Fender is going to release a new version of the Mustang. I usually like to get the latest and greatest of a product. But three months is a long time to wait.

Boongie


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:16 pm
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3 months is a long time to wait. And if they do announce a v.3 then, will it be available for purchase right away? I'm waiting too in anticipation, since I have a v.1 Mustang and I may get the itch to upgrade.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 1:30 pm
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Boongie wrote:
Hi Everybody:

I appreciate all the responses. I am very impressed by this forum, especially the input from the Fender folks. I have been on many other forums run by manufacturers and typically they don't respond to questions that are posed. I always found that odd as they are running the forum.

Part of me is very tempted to wait until the NAMM show in January to see if Fender is going to release a new version of the Mustang. I usually like to get the latest and greatest of a product. But three months is a long time to wait.

Boongie


You maybe waiting forever Boongie. There is always something newer on the horizon!

What is it you want that isn't in the MIII? What makes you think it will be on a newer version? There is no gauruntee there will be a new version.

The MIII is a home run in my book for all the reasons the others have posted here.

Whatever you choese play often! :)

Can't echo your sentiments on this forum enough. Everyone is very helpful!! Thank you all.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:06 pm
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Hi i8chillywilly,

Thanks for your kind words. It is our goal to assist in the most effective way that we can. Please let us know if we can help further here.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 12:56 am
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Hi i8chillywilly:

I just like to have the latest and greatest with anything I purchase, especially at the price point of the Mustang III.

I do have a question about the Mustang III. I know that it has plenty of effects built in, but can I run a pedal through it, like I could with a tube amp? I was thinking of a chorus pedal...not sure if the Mustang has that effect built in. Which gets to another question: are the effects built into the Mustang so close to pedal effects that a pedal is not needed?

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 2:29 am
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Yes you can run pedals with Mustang amps.

If you put pedals before the amp input, as with all solid-state amps they need to be the type that creates the desired sound with no actual gain to the signal level (unlike distortion pedals for tube amps that deliberately overdrive the amp input).

For your chorus pedal, you can put that in the amp's fx-loop. That would be the usual place for such a pedal. However, with the Mustangs that means your chorus would come after any delay and reverb effects within the amp, which may not be what you want. So...

Yes, the Mustang does have a built-in chorus effect, and yes it is very good, so no you don't actually need an external pedal. That's the whole point of these amps. For 90% of situations, all the effects you need are already inside the amp, and can be chained together in whatever order you want them, with whatever settings you want.

Personally, I think the quality of the Mustang's built-in effects is just as good as the majority of stand-alone stomp boxes you can buy. I can think of a few cases where the Mustang's effects are lacking, for example its pitch-shifter and multi-tap-delay effects don't have the configurability of some stand-alone units. Also an occasional gripe is the inability to have both an overdrive and a compressor effect simultaneously, but personally I've never found that an issue; the range of amp models cover the whole overdrive spectrum without needing an additional effect for that.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2014 4:55 pm
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scott-uk wrote:
Yes you can run pedals with Mustang amps.

If you put pedals before the amp input, as with all solid-state amps they need to be the type that creates the desired sound with no actual gain to the signal level (unlike distortion pedals for tube amps that deliberately overdrive the amp input).

For your chorus pedal, you can put that in the amp's fx-loop. That would be the usual place for such a pedal. However, with the Mustangs that means your chorus would come after any delay and reverb effects within the amp, which may not be what you want. So...

Yes, the Mustang does have a built-in chorus effect, and yes it is very good, so no you don't actually need an external pedal. That's the whole point of these amps. For 90% of situations, all the effects you need are already inside the amp, and can be chained together in whatever order you want them, with whatever settings you want.

Personally, I think the quality of the Mustang's built-in effects is just as good as the majority of stand-alone stomp boxes you can buy. I can think of a few cases where the Mustang's effects are lacking, for example its pitch-shifter and multi-tap-delay effects don't have the configurability of some stand-alone units. Also an occasional gripe is the inability to have both an overdrive and a compressor effect simultaneously, but personally I've never found that an issue; the range of amp models cover the whole overdrive spectrum without needing an additional effect for that.


That pretty much sums it up.

The only "problem" I've found, is that like the amp itself, some of the effects are VERY configurable... So if you don't know what all the virtual knobs are supposed to do, it can get fiddly.

Also, as a card carrying old fart, I just find it easier to twirl physical knobs on an actual pedal. Thus, I currently have 5 pedals hooked up:

FullTone OCD> MXR '78 Distortion> Mustang III

fx loop:
TCE Corona Chorus>
MXR Micro Flanger>
MXR Carbon Copy delay.

The OCD is capable of giving 26db of boost, but I set it at unity. The gain knob has a very wide range, and there is a 2 position mini toggle to change voicings between more OD-like (high peak) and more dist like (low peak). I happen to like the sound of the dirt it contributes, so it stays! It also is basically a preamp in a pedal- and responds like one to your playing. Currently, I have this set up for a nice classic rock crunch. ( and if it doesn't suit your fancy at 9v, you can also run it at 18v for more!)

The 78 is set up to add that cranked amp lead sound. ( it's basically meant to be a cranked marshall in a pedal) WITHOUT adding a ton of extra dirt. Sounds counter-intuitive, but into a cleanish amp, this pedal is really good at that.

I like the Corona's chorus sound. Nothing wrong with the Mustang's, I just like this one. It also has a multi-chorus in it.

The micro Flanger is a flanger for dummies! 2 knobs- speed and feedback. There's literally no bad or unusable sounds in it. With a traditional flanger, it's very easy to get lost in all the controls, and never find the sound I want... Not to mention some of the god-awful sounds you DO find.

As for the delay, I honestly like the sound of it better in front, as it's an analog pedal, and seems to sound better at instrument level. Just haven't bothered to switch it yet. lol.

That's the real beauty of these amps- you can set them up to operate whatever way you like! If you like the traditional amp plus pedals route, you can easily do that. If you want to use it like a multi-effects pedal/amp combo- it'll do that too.

As stated above, just don't overdrive the input, and you can use any pedal you want with it.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III Questions
Posted: Thu Nov 20, 2014 3:51 pm
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Hi ,

"Like to have the latest and greatest"

That can be a very expensive route to be honest. When I started off in the modelling world I bought 2x Line 6 Pod X3 Lives. When Line 6 came out with the POD HD500 about 2 years later I sold the X3s and bough 1x HD500 and 1x HD300 as a back up. OK the HD sounds were better but not that much better - but at that point I realised I had wasted quite a bit of dosh (OK I did sell them on Ebay). Within 18months L6 had brought out the HD500x - you can see where this is going - I went back to real amps before buying any more L6 gear.

I really like the Mustang - its cheap but that does not reflect on its quality. The modelling is much better than L6 gear, it reacts very well to tonal changes in your guitar and volume (tactile) and its great for gigging and practice. OK its not as cool as that valve amp you covert but the gear snobs soon shut up when they hear how good this thing sounds. I do still go out with my valve amp it does sound better truely - but the Mustang fits many of the locations both volume wise and with ease of transit. My Valve amp has one volume the Mustang has many.

You can always chase the rainbow my friend but your unlikely to ever get there. I did that for about five years and I am slightly ashamed at the money I have wasted. I have promised myself that in 2015 the only things I am buying are picks and strings - wonder how long that pledge will last :lol:


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