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Post subject: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:30 pm
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Is there a way to use the expression pedal as a whammy (like the DigiTech pedals)? I can't think of which effect and control would do this. Pitch shifter is not continuous so that wouldn't work.

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Post subject: Re: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:44 pm
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Yes, the EXP-1 can control all the effects on the mustang including pitch shifting.


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Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 7:58 pm
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But isn't pitch shifting a "step" function (each step being a semitone?)? That would not sound like a whammy bar.
I need to find time to go through the available effects and their controls.

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Post subject: Re: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Sat Oct 04, 2014 8:15 pm
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OK, my bad, I always use the "diatonic" pitch shifter but there is a "simple" pitch shifter pedal too. I should be able to use this, set the pedal range to cover 40% to 60% or something like that (I don't need multiple octaves divebombing)

I'll experiment.

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Post subject: Re: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:00 am
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Yes,
the normal pitch shifter is fine controlled by exp pedal.
Also ring modulator can offers interesting effects because you go to shift a (modulation) frequency in real time but, as i notified in a post some time ago, this effect on Mustangs miss right the higher frequencies range that usually in other ring modulators, with the proper parameter settings, give to the tone a shimmering or chiming character.

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Post subject: Re: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 11:35 am
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I was able to experiment this morning. This will never replace having a real lever on your guitar, but there is definitely some fun to be had there.
The biggest issue is that unlike a physical tremolo/bigsby, the pedal doesn't return to the zero point naturally, so you either need to get back to it by ear, or you make your tremolo go into only one direction (50% to 60% instead of 40% to 60% for example). Somewhat like a blocked tremolo that will only bend in one direction.

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Post subject: Re: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 1:17 pm
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by the way...
probably you knew that even a Floyd Rose tremolo (that i don't like) can become good an stable (return to zero point from both directions) if someone takes the trouble (as did a friend of mine, technician and luthier) to adapt a springs device TremSetter (designed for Fender Strat or similar types of floating tremolo) to fit on a Ibanez' cavity or other, with a floyd rose .. .
after a fine calibration to find the right balance, you get (almost) the stability and pros of a fixed bridge while continuing to use a floating bridge.


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Post subject: Re: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Sun Oct 05, 2014 2:09 pm
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Yah, trying not to get into a religious debate on the pros and cons of different tremolo systems and tuning stability.
My guitar has a hard tail, I was trying to see if my Mustang with exp pedal could pinch hit as a tremolo. The answer is Yes, but probably need to practice a lot.

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Post subject: Re: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Fri Oct 10, 2014 11:09 pm
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Jeez folks got off topic fast!

Yes, you can come close to a Digitech whammy...

Use the pitch shifter modulation, assign your EXP-1 to the "Pitch", then you will have to adjust the heel and toe to where you want to go with the shift.

I use it for Lonely Boy - Black Keys, so I set the heel at 0 and the toe at -12 (or down one octave). It works pretty well, but the EXP-1 is not absolutely precise, and can only be adjusted in whole percents (heel/toe) so it can be just a little off pitch. (like 0.2 to 11.7) Be sure EXP-1 is calibrated, mine gets a little off from time to time. I also set the preset up so it defaults to expression mode so I don't have to mess with the volume or toe click the pedal.


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Post subject: Re: can you use EXP-1 as whammy/pitch control?
Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 4:15 am
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sltmike wrote:
Jeez folks got off topic fast!

Yes, you can come close to a Digitech whammy...

Use the pitch shifter modulation, assign your EXP-1 to the "Pitch", then you will have to adjust the heel and toe to where you want to go with the shift.

I use it for Lonely Boy - Black Keys, so I set the heel at 0 and the toe at -12 (or down one octave). It works pretty well, but the EXP-1 is not absolutely precise, and can only be adjusted in whole percents (heel/toe) so it can be just a little off pitch. (like 0.2 to 11.7) Be sure EXP-1 is calibrated, mine gets a little off from time to time. I also set the preset up so it defaults to expression mode so I don't have to mess with the volume or toe click the pedal.


Yes i know, i went off topic :-)

to get a perfect match between the pitch and the movement of the pedal you should do the ultra patient calibration i did last year... you have to move the pedal by hand and when you reach the toe or the heel ends you have just to touch the rubber feet as softly as you can, because they tends to bounce pedal back that little enough to alter the fine calibration.

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