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Post subject: Good News Everyone
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 7:46 am
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Check out the post by Markamc posted Sat Sept. 20 on the tail end of the FUSE feedback thread:

http://forums.fender.com/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=73425&start=270


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:41 am
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I'm not sure how good that news is unless the poster is prepared to support the product he's talking about. It's one thing to develop a product and a completely different thing to be able to provide support and ongoing bug fixes.

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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 4:17 am
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Well, the details remain to be seen.

But, if it is being done as I think it is being done, it would involve making use of the code from the open source Linux "Plug" project and the programming of Arduino or PIC chips that interface with a hardware control box using off the shelf electronic components.

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looking at sliders for controlling levels..anything in fuse is possible! i can't wait to share when done...

The "share" part gives me the impression that the developer isn't necessarily going to provide a finished product (although they may also do that) but instead the means to DIY (the code and hardware schematics). If they release the code to program the chips with an open source license, it can be maintained and further developed by others.

If your not the DIY type, there are thousands of boutique pedal makers that can make use of the info to provide customizable finished products.


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:10 am
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If I was 15 years younger, with more free time and energy this is what I would do:

-put together an arduino board with an USB port (inexpensive and easy)
-try to understand how FUSE programs the mustang amp (the linux project previously mentioned did that, so probably is documented somewhere)
-add a wifi interface to the arduino
-do some coding for the arduino to do what I like ,like for example:
-----timed change of presets so I do not have to do it in the middle of a song!
-----add Android remote control for the mustang via wifi interface on arduino... no more bending over to configure the damn thing!
-----this ultra-cool Line-6 Amplifi amps feature where you can, with a tablet, select a mp3 track AND the preset that comes with it and the arduino would inject audio via AUX and select the right preset
-----the previous item plus playlist support, and you get an automatic-gig-in-a-box kit!

it actually is simpler than it sounds if you know your way around arduino, and arduino is dirt cheap nowadays...


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 11:30 am
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another, even easier option, would be to use a micro-pc running linux (raspberry-pi costs 40$ and is big as a creditcard) which already runs linux, has an audio, usb and wifi ports integrated, and would run the existing linux FUSE clone...

with the extra processing power of a micro-pc like this you can do all the previous things plus more advanced features like a looper, an auto volume control for the mustang (with a mic on the micro-pc, so you don't have to tweak the volume of each preset anymore!), etc


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 1:52 pm
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Good news for me would be if fender would allow you to program each button sperately in both the 2 and 4 button footswitches and have LED indicators in the 2 button. Seems like such a waste to have all this power and have only a fraction of the possible switching options available to you without having to tap dance all over the place with the mode switch. Even then you have a lot of possibilities that can't happen.


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 3:50 pm
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Let the expression pedal control two things at once - set up as now but over two items - I'm sure there could be a lot of uses for all sorts of combinations


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 12:55 am
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I don't think the solution would be as much about electronics as it would be about sensors that would kick off a user programmable XML sequence as that is what is being sent by FUSE to the amp when you change things from my understanding. Apparently this is a two-way XML link as FUSE does use some communication sequence to retrieve the state of the amp. What's REALLY needed is documentation from Fender about these XML sequences and requests. I suppose someone could use some form of spy software to figure it out, but there's no reason why Fender can't provide it. Good luck getting them to do it though.

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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 2:38 am
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The xml is really basic and easily human readable - just open a preset in a text editor and all will be clear. It's the two way communication part that requires a bit more knowledge.
(I looked into making a mini fuse for reordering and renaming presets but got too busy on real work to continue)


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 10:18 am
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jedi2b wrote:
another, even easier option, would be to use a micro-pc running linux (raspberry-pi costs 40$ and is big as a creditcard) which already runs linux, has an audio, usb and wifi ports integrated, and would run the existing linux FUSE clone...


The Pi does not have wi-fi out of the box. You need a USB wi-fi adaptor.


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Tue Sep 23, 2014 11:19 am
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that is correct, the wi-fi adapter is rather inexpensive but you have to add it.

The beauty of a raspberry-pi solution is that is pretty much ready to roll... it runs linux (so should be able to run the linux port of FUSE) it has a USB port available to connect to the mustang. The Pi also has an analog audio port that can connect to the mustang aux port to inject audio...

So the eventual developer can concentrate on the user interface (wether it is a custom pedalboard or an android remote control, or a looper application)

So the possibilities are pretty much endless... for a cost comparable to the 4 switch Fender footswitch alone


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Post subject: Re: Good News Everyone
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:27 pm
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Fuse doesn't "talk" XML to the amp (but the fuse settings are saved in XML on the PC)
It uses USB interrupt frames of fixed binary format, check out the source code of PLUG if you want details.

I've played around with writing my own Android app to control my amp, even got as far as getting the tablet to read from the Mustang Iv2 and show current settings, but I'd rather play my guitar that spend hundred of hours programming and debugging my app, since I don;t think there is any way to make money out of it. And as someone said above, even if I could sell it without violating any kind of Fender intellectual property, it'd probably not be worth the time and effort to support the customers. After getting a Mustang IIIv2, it's obvious there are differences for each amp model, (not even accounting for the v1s), and I'd have to buy multiple of them even to reverse engineer and test on different amps.

I already have a day job and a family thank you.

I'm still not happy that Fender has not offered an Android version of Fuse. If I was able to get a prototype over a weekend, they should be able to put real resources behind it.

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