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Post subject: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 8:12 am
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The other guitarist in my band is using a Mustang III. I loved the tones he was getting but for my purposes, I though the Mustang Floor format worked better for me. From everything I read, the Mustang Floor is the brains of the Mustang 3 without the speaker so I bought one.

When he sends me patches which include Range Boost, Green Box, Orange Box, Black Box, or Big Fuzz, I can open the patch it in FUSE and all the boxes are there in the dropdown menu but when I try and move it to the Mustang Floor, I get a message saying that it's removing the stompboxes.

I've updated the firmware and I'm using the latest version of FUSE. Am I missing something?

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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 9:14 am
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I have a feeling that the Floor was designed around the "V1" amp, and when V2 came along the extra stomps and more amps were added.

That's probably the reason the floor is rejecting these presets.

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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 11:48 am
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Sounds probable. The stomps you list were added in the v2 series

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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Sat Sep 20, 2014 1:39 pm
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I figured it out but I had to piece the answer together from various sources. Thanks Audio Taxi for your input.

So for the newbs like me, here it is. I wish I would have know this BEFORE I bought it. The Mustang I, II, II, IV & V were updated to firmware V2 early in 2013. The new amps and stompboxes were added at that time. The Mustang Floor never got this update probably due to a lack of processing power.

I hope Fender reads this because I think they're somewhat to blame for the lack of transparency. And I say this with all due respect as a loyal, lifelong Fender user.

On the Fender website on the Mustang page,
http://www.fender.com/en-CA/series/mustang/
... beside the Mustang I, II, II, IV & V model names they have "(v.2)". So clearly, they feel it's important for customers to know that. In the name of transparency, beside the Mustang Floor model, they should say "(V.1)". There is nothing beside the Floor model name. It's not unreasonable for some new to this line of Fender amps to infer that the Floor model has the same capabilities as the I to V models.

It's been almost 2 years since the V2 update to the I - V models. Why hasn't the Floor model been updated yet? Obviously a firmware update isn't coming and there is no news on a model update. So how long are you going to keep selling the V1 model without clearly pointing out the capability differences?

As a loyal Fender user, I hope a Fender support person can comment on these things. I'm a little pissed that I had to buy and use the unit to find these things out.

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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 2:47 am
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If we ask nicely, maybe Fender will give us a new firmware for the Floor with new pedal and amp models ;)

How about it Fender.. Please?


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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:06 pm
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The new amp models and effects in the V2 amps aren't just a firmware update. The hardware has changed too. So there will never be a firmware update adding these effects to the V1 amps or the (V1) Mustang Floor.

The original Mustang series weren't called "V1" - which is why no such designation appears on the Fender website for the Mustang Floor to distinguish it from the "V2" amps. Personally, I thought it was pretty obvious that the current-model Mustang Floor is from the original series, not the V2 (new hardware and new firmware) series, and that thus the new V2 features wouldn't be available on the Mustang Floor, but I guess everyone's view is different.


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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 12:14 pm
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I think the Mustangs can be programmed for new features because they are like computers. Definitely a software thing, not a hardware issue.


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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 12:30 am
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the Mustangs can be programmed for new features because they are like computers

Indeed yes. That is the whole point of firmware updates.

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Definitely a software thing, not a hardware issue.

Not necessarily. It depends what processing power a new feature needs. Some new features could be added entirely in software. Others would need more processing power, or additional hardware capabilities, and thus would be a mixture of firmware and hardware. We simply don't know whether the amps/effects added to the V2 amps are only possible with the changed hardware in those amps - although my understanding is that that is indeed the case.

That aside, I think we can all agree that a V2 Mustang Floor, and other updates across the Mustang range, both software and hardware, are overdue and desired in the marketplace. This forum is full of requests for all sorts of new features on this popular line of amps.


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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Mon Sep 22, 2014 6:26 am
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Because I specifically need a floorboard, I'm not considering one of the Mustang amp models. I spent the better part of the weekend checking out Line 6 Pod HD500X videos and reviews. It's about $200 more but leaps and bounds ahead of the Mustang Floor. I just ordered one.

Like I said earlier, I'm a lifelong Fender guy. I really wanted to make this work. The Fender amp models are spot on. But it's clear that when it comes to the Mustang Floor, Fender is not committed moving that product line forward. It looks like their priority is the Mustang amp line which is a great product.

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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 1:35 pm
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I like the Zoom G5 in that regard, even has a real tube boost for a warmer tone. It also runs up to 9 effects of any kind in any order, not just 4 of one type each like the Mustang.

My test of a multi-effect worthiness is whether you can play U2: it must have at least two separate delays and a dotted eighth tap tempo, Mustang fails on both counts.

I mostly play the Fender models without much in the way of effects and buying a Mustang III was way cheaper than a Hot Rod Deluxe III. I would definitely not buy a Mustang for its stomp box capabilities, to me they're just gravy, not the main course.

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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:36 am
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It surprises me that no one has made an affordable device where the foot controller with the on/off foot switches and expression pedal stays on the floor, and the fancy bit with knobs and a nice LED display can be sat on top of your amp.
Us older guys find bending down to keep tweaking knobs on the flooor a right pain in the.. back.
I also remember finding it a pain with standard pedals when I was young.
I quite liked the little Zoom box I had that was meant to sit on the amp, even though it fell off at the slightest cable movement - but something bigger and heavier would stay in place.


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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:35 am
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Only having access to editing patches on the floor unit is a deal breaker for me. It has to have computer editing software. I use a laptop to tweak patches during rehearsals.

I've been using the Pod HD500X for a few day now. I love it. It takes a bit longer to dial int eh sounds but you have much more control. The fender amp models aren't as good, but good enough.

Hey papaschtroumpf, just out of curiosity, I watched a video on the Zoom G5. Great sounds and that tube boost sounds awesome. I didn't see any mention of software to create/edit patches. I see it has a USB port. Does it come with software?

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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:42 am
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Hi Nick
I have the zoom g5 and it's a great floor effects.
It does come with edit and share similar to fuse and your therefore can edit on pc etc.
Hope that answers your question?


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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 10:17 am
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Line 6 Pod HD500X ... about $200 more but leaps and bounds ahead of the Mustang Floor

This comparison has been made several times before on this forum, but I think it's missing the point. Of course Line 6 can make a unit with more capabilities than the Mustang Floor, if their price-point is double the Mustang's. The Mustang Floor has a set of features at a certain price; any of us can choose to accept that, or pay more money to buy a different product with more/different features.

It's like saying a Fiat is rubbish because it's not as fast as a (more expensive) Ferrari - it's a meaningless comparison.


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Post subject: Re: Missing Stompboxes in Mustang Floor
Posted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 7:56 am
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It's like saying a Fiat is rubbish because it's not as fast as a (more expensive) Ferrari - it's a meaningless comparison.


I'm not sure it's the same thing. If I would've compared the Mustang Floor to the AxeFX, your analogy might be more relevant. ($200 vs $3,000)

The point I was making was that for an extra $200, which is double the cost of the Mustang Floor you get way, way more than double the functionality. It comes down to value... bang for the buck.

And it comes back down to Fender dropping the ball on this one. If the Mustang Floor got the V2 update, the Pod HD500X would not be leaps and bounds ahead. How does a credible floor amp/effects modeler not have a Tube Screamer?

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