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Post subject: Re: Request to fender...anyone else agree?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 12:46 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
scott-uk wrote:
1. Create a stomp effect that is a combined compressor / overdrive.



mmm not sure about what you mean, the word "overdrive" is used in a variety of contexts :)

from a purist point of view, an overdrive, is just a transparent signal amplifier (or with simple tone control(s) included), just to drive harder the amp (or amp-emulation) and make it soft-clip the signal. Is what I'm trying to achieve with the MOD effect in my preset. You can also attain the exact same result changing the gain of the amp emulation (doable on Mustang Floor on the fly with the pedal, or EXP-1 on other Mustangs)

If we are referring to overdrive as distortion effects, in essence these effects are simply bad quality compressors :) That is they compress the signal by clipping it and adding different varieties of high order harmonics in the process. Signal gets scaled by the gain parameter and then chopped (and hence compressed) to the output level selected on the effect. Keep adding gain and you will increase the sustain of the effect (and increasing harmonics level in the process)

I'm genuinely interested to hear any use cases that require both a compressor and a distortion effect. Do you guys know any?

The elements included into the STOMP category are the most CPU intensive on the digital domain (dynamic effects). All the others (phasers, flangers, delays, wahs, and to a great extent reverbs) are simple applications of a comb filters, not at all CPU intensive, so I agree some reshuffling of effects could be done by Fender.

If I may add to the list :) I think the most important effect the Mustangs are missing is a parametric EQ (which Fender is already using anyway with their "cab emulation"). Having a configurable parametric EQ will be a quantum leap in terms on versatility for the Mustang line.


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Post subject: Re: Request to fender...anyone else agree?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 2:39 pm
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use cases that require both a compressor and a distortion effect

Never personally needed it, I just recall it's a common request in this forum.


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Post subject: Re: Request to fender...anyone else agree?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:32 pm
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Thanks for the effort, but I've tried that already and tried all the mod and delay effects. None give me any boost thats enough and/or good. Besides, the supersonic model doesn't even need this. It gets more than enough gain and tightness without a stomp, thereby leaving the stomp free to be used as a boost as i wanted.

And just to clarify, it's NOT about wanting more gain than the models i like already have when using a stomp. I add a stomp for most of them even if the model by itself has enough gain for my basic tone. Reason: many models, some of my favs, are muddy sounding and go limp when you roll back to clean up. Adding the greenbox tightens them up and they are chimey when i roll back. But it's also true some don't have enough gain. But i only use a little stomp gain and then when i want all out gain, like i usually used a clean boost for with tube amps, theres no way to do it aside from switching to another patch which isn't a answer because of the delay, or using an outboard pedal which I'd rather not do for any number of reasons. But alas, there is no other way. So i generally either use the supersonic which DOES allow me to use the stomp as a boost for solos, or the 70's marshall. Some models actually sound great without a stomp and have more than enough gain like the EVH or mesa models. They however don't roll back well.


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Post subject: Re: Request to fender...anyone else agree?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 5:41 pm
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Can you name one of those models you would like to double boost? I would like to give it a try


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Post subject: Re: Request to fender...anyone else agree?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 6:32 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
Can you name one of those models you would like to double boost? I would like to give it a try


Sure, download the one i uploaded here... https://fuse.fender.com/mustangv2/prese ... assman-od/
It's not the exact one i use anymore tho, so change the following....

treble to 5.0
middle to 7.5
sag all the way off (called "less")
presence to 10

Greenbox:
level and gain right at 12:00
tone 7.0


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Post subject: Re: Request to fender...anyone else agree?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 8:20 pm
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oczad wrote:
Sure, download the one i uploaded here... https://fuse.fender.com/mustangv2/prese ... assman-od/
It's not the exact one i use anymore tho, so change the following....

treble to 5.0
middle to 7.5
sag all the way off (called "less")
presence to 10

Greenbox:
level and gain right at 12:00
tone 7.0



well, here's my take on it, certainly not perfect but I think good enough for government work:
https://fuse.fender.com/mustang/presets ... assman-od/

I like how it sounds with my strat with texas specials at volume 10, you might need to adjust gain if using other pickups

with mod/stomp off is a driven sound on the edge of breakup
with mod on is like having amp-gain +3 = gently overdriven
with stomp on you get a mild distortion

I tweaked a bit the bias and blend because it was hard to control with the original settings

in a nutshell you can get a +3 amp-gain using the MOD effect as configured

Another option I just tested is to create two presets USING THE SAME AMP EMULATION BASE PRESET, and changing only the stomp from one preset to the next. For example one with greenbox and the next with the range booster. As long as you do not change amp emulations preset switchover times are below what my ears can detect :)



Yet another option, if you need more variance than +-3 gain and do not want to switch presets, then I would suggest getting an exp-1 pedal, and use it to control amp gain. you can then set the heel to be gain =5 and the toe to be gain = 10 and rock back and forth as needed (or get a mustang floor that comes with the pedal incorporated)


hope this helps


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Post subject: Re: Request to fender...anyone else agree?
Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:07 pm
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I don't want to sound ungrateful, i appreciate the effort. But mods and delays just don't work for this. And the mod as you have it give a pre delay to the signal so theres about 20 milliseconds after i pick the note and when it sounds. I can't imagine you'd have uploaded it knowing that so somehow i have to think yours doesn't do this. Are you by chance using a V1?
Anyways, Like i said, I've already tried the mod and delays trying to find one that has enough gain to boost the level and can be fully turned off as to the effect sound and none work. I just need the ability to use 2 stomps at once and thought if enough people agreed fender might take notice. (yeah, right)

As to delay times between patches, I've also tried that. Same model set exactly the same but with stomp on either one of them and i get too much delay. Some aren't too bad, but really my main desire is a stomp for higher gain. There are several reasons i won't go into, but thats what would make it for me. At least i can do that with the supersonic. Unfortunately there are models i like more I'd rather use the majority of the time.


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Post subject: Re: Request to fender...anyone else agree?
Posted: Sun Sep 14, 2014 8:13 pm
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HI,
i agree. summarizing, we need:

- 2 effects for every family:
2 stomps: for example a natural overdrive before the big muff, boosts it, making the sound of the fuzz less muddy adding definition and clarity (as Gilmour likes)
2 modulations: for example if you use the pitch shifter or the harmonizer or even a ring modulator , you will need another effect to add a standard modulation as a chorus, vibrato or a tremolo.
also 2 delays : a short delay and a long delay have different purpose. I use a very short delay to thick the sound as was a doubling tape effect, to get a more similar basic sound of Europa (Santana, "Amigos" studio version) but if in another song, you would need also a long delay to do a simple echo you would need another delay instance enabled.
Two reverbs ?: no, it don't make sense unless, extreme case, you would want get special spatial effects and you would have available, let's say... (
Here I use the imagination), a reverb with very long decay time (10 seconds or even longer) and another,a reverse gate reverb (Titanic : my heart will go on, but it was for Céline not guitar :lol: ) No, those are effects for recording studios purposes.

Of course it can be fine the solution with 6 to 8 (8 is ideal) effects simultaneous but it requires a rebuilding of the Mustang line and can't be obtained by a firmware update; So it would be fine also the solution to choose what family/ies to do without in a preset to have at least 2 effects of the same family enabled at the same time.
And this update/upgrade should go hand in hand with the feature to change the order of effect in the chain by the utilities menu or some combination of buttons of the amp (for models provided of display) and not just by Fuse editor.

I also agree with the request for modulations with greater control over the output gain (to increase and to decrease to the need): it is undoubtedly useful.

and about delays in moving from one preset to another: not only in my case I experience a slight delay for example from the preset Europa pt.1 (everything before that slow part of the song with the guitar rotary speaker effect) to the next preset (Rotary speaker tone almost clean, same mesa boogie amp model, different method of gain reduction by a stompbox fuzz at mininum levels) but the output volume jumps up, has a peak, for a second in that passage ... even if I'm going from a higher gain presets, to the preset with less gain ... and not vice versa. It is as if, for a second, the higher gain preset was selected again from the lower gain preset before to stabilizing permanently on the next preset. and it is not pleasant to hear.

Dimitri


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