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Post subject: SDK for custom/user firmware development.
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:07 pm
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Hi, I have owned Mustang Floor. I was wondering if this is possible to provide some tools and SDK for DSP56725 mustang series for the community and dsp coders.

There a lot of developers who made a good VST plugs like http://www.audiorammer.com/site/?q=free ... distortion.

Of course such firmware will be not compatible with fuse software - but i think it will be a great add on for those who searches unique effects and tone.

Of course there is a potentially risk that someone will mess with bot-loader code - but no risk no fun:)
I Think I't will be another advantage for mustang units over the other units - use open source custom firmware.

What do you think about this idea?


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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:20 pm
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It's been mentioned before:

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viewtopic.php?f=27&t=69883&p=827894&hilit=sdk#p827894

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Post subject: Re: SDK for custom/user firmware development.
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:47 pm
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Yes - but still this question has no answer from Fender .


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Post subject: Re: SDK for custom/user firmware development.
Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2014 3:49 pm
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Well - now I'm testing Kemper - and I tell you - its 6xprice of floor but it's worth the money.
I'm thinking to use the floor as a midi device. But the quality of sound emulation is far far beneath Kemper:)


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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 3:31 am
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Deimond wrote:
Well - now I'm testing Kemper - and I tell you - its 6xprice of floor but it's worth the money.
I'm thinking to use the floor as a midi device. But the quality of sound emulation is far far beneath Kemper:)


I have to admit the Kemper is very intriguing. What's stopped me short on it is the complexity of setting it up for live performances. That's ultimately what brought me to the Mustang. Since mostly I use my amp for gigging I really don't like to spend a bunch of time setting things up. That's what I used to have to do and I really don't want to go back to that. Granted, the modeling seems very accurate, but I'm not sure the difference would be that apparent to the audience for all the additional complexity in setup.

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Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2014 1:00 pm
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dunedindragon wrote:
Deimond wrote:
Well - now I'm testing Kemper - and I tell you - its 6xprice of floor but it's worth the money.
I'm thinking to use the floor as a midi device. But the quality of sound emulation is far far beneath Kemper:)


I have to admit the Kemper is very intriguing. What's stopped me short on it is the complexity of setting it up for live performances. That's ultimately what brought me to the Mustang. Since mostly I use my amp for gigging I really don't like to spend a bunch of time setting things up. That's what I used to have to do and I really don't want to go back to that. Granted, the modeling seems very accurate, but I'm not sure the difference would be that apparent to the audience for all the additional complexity in setup.

Kemper it's very intuitive and easy to set up - - im playing this toy right now for about 10 hours and every thing is simple like in a normal amp - you have a gain knob, tone stack knobs and effects knobs - and it sounds - really accurate. minus is a lack of dedicated midi pedal board. I can say that it is easier to set up a kemper then the mustang floor. Weel - you can also set a sequence of rigs for the song with one stomp switch.

Basically I want to forget a Mustang Floor experience - because it was a dissapointment:/


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Post subject: Re: SDK for custom/user firmware development.
Posted: Sun Oct 26, 2014 3:09 pm
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Deimond wrote:
Well - now I'm testing Kemper - and I tell you - its 6xprice of floor but it's worth the money.
I'm thinking to use the floor as a midi device. But the quality of sound emulation is far far beneath Kemper:)



why would you pay 6x mustang price when the auditorium can't tell the difference?

this remebers me of the CD. invented in 1980 and still in circulation, not because technology can not do better, just that price difference is not worth the improvement :)
Actually the next "improvement" was lossy compression (mp3 style), which actually sounds worse, but most people can't tell... so same situation

price/convenience trumps quality every time (particularly marginally better quality for an astronomical price difference). I mean, what's the point of an emulation that costs more or close than the original amp?


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Post subject: Re: SDK for custom/user firmware development.
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 7:22 am
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This is what i always see and don't get. It's like PRS. I have a PRS SE, thier korean like. About 1/4 the cost of thier core line yet having played thier core models i actually feel mine is as good and i actually like it better. Granted, the hardware is not quite the same and i swapped that and it'e even better. But people continue to say it's not even close, the core line is far better. well then heres my question....i've owned probably 150-200 guitars in 42 years. I'had andersons to squiers and everything in between. My santana does EVERYTHING better than the best guitar i've ever owned including the high end boutique stuff. yet these guys are telling me the core PRS like is way better. So what.....they're way better than the best guiatrs on earth? Thats what they are saying whether they realize it or not.

Same thing with the mustang. If the kemper is worlds better than than it would have to sound a lot better than the amps it emulates. There are opinions on certain gear you see at forums where one guy says it's gods gift to guitar players and another says it's pure junk. I trust my own ears and common sense/logic, and logic tells me the kemper can't possibly sound way better than the mustang because when tweaked well the mustang can hang with most any amp I've owned. Better than probably most. So to be way better the kemper must be the best sounding amp on the planet, much better than the next one down. I own the best sounding tube amp i have ever owned. When i plug into it i wanna tear the plug out and put it back in the MIII asap. Not because the amp can't hang with the MIII, but because the MIII can do what it does then at the push of a button do what it can't. But as a single great tone goes, the mustang hangs right with it and actually does some things better.


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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 8:14 am
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Yup, you got to the real issue here. After getting my epi les paul tribute, I can't stop thinking on why people would buy a Gibson les paul.
Well I guess is a similar reason to why Ferraris exist.


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Post subject: Re: SDK for custom/user firmware development.
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 10:49 am
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I've owned probably 150-200 guitars

Awesome respect. We are not worthy. Or I feel a new conversation: "but darling, I only have six guitars, some people have 200, I really do need another one..."


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Post subject: Re: SDK for custom/user firmware development.
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 11:11 am
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oczad wrote:
This is what i always see and don't get. It's like PRS. I have a PRS SE, thier korean like. About 1/4 the cost of thier core line yet having played thier core models i actually feel mine is as good and i actually like it better. Granted, the hardware is not quite the same and i swapped that and it'e even better. But people continue to say it's not even close, the core line is far better. well then heres my question....i've owned probably 150-200 guitars in 42 years. I'had andersons to squiers and everything in between. My santana does EVERYTHING better than the best guitar i've ever owned including the high end boutique stuff. yet these guys are telling me the core PRS like is way better. So what.....they're way better than the best guiatrs on earth? Thats what they are saying whether they realize it or not.

Same thing with the mustang. If the kemper is worlds better than than it would have to sound a lot better than the amps it emulates. There are opinions on certain gear you see at forums where one guy says it's gods gift to guitar players and another says it's pure junk. I trust my own ears and common sense/logic, and logic tells me the kemper can't possibly sound way better than the mustang because when tweaked well the mustang can hang with most any amp I've owned. Better than probably most. So to be way better the kemper must be the best sounding amp on the planet, much better than the next one down. I own the best sounding tube amp i have ever owned. When i plug into it i wanna tear the plug out and put it back in the MIII asap. Not because the amp can't hang with the MIII, but because the MIII can do what it does then at the push of a button do what it can't. But as a single great tone goes, the mustang hangs right with it and actually does some things better.



Well - i have both and I tell you you can tweak floor all the day. Kemper just profile you rig and this is soud almost 100% accurate. But the main advantage is the FX . Just please compare pitch shifting for example or reverb.

Another thing is that kemper provide almost every week updates to the firmware based on users feedback.
And another advantage is you have emulation of all the amps you can think of for the price of one.

I do not want to argue with you but I hear the difference.

The first time I play with Floor was - its sounds good but not revolutionary . My Bugera sounds much better. I start tweaking - but I was never satisfied.I'm just sharing with my opinion based on tested equipment.


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Post subject: Re: SDK for custom/user firmware development.
Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:08 pm
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Well, i guess the floor being V1 IS a bit different. You might have felt different if it had been the MIII or IV v2.


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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:10 pm
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I've owned probably 150-200 guitars

Awesome respect. We are not worthy. Or I feel a new conversation: "but darling, I only have six guitars, some people have 200, I really do need another one..."

I'm talking over the course of 40+ years. I only have 5 at the moment and 2 are going.


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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:12 pm
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I was interested in you comment until I saw the part were "the Buggera sounds much better". I do not know what to make of that.

Regarding versatility, I discovered that a computer is way more versatile than any dedicated hardware solution around. And the funny thing about software is that nowadays is either free, or almost (compared to hardware based solutions). And of course, anyway, for your studio you need a computer with a DAW, so why not just add a plug-in or two to that?
For those interested in trying, download a free version of Reaper (or any other DAW) and then look around for the free guitar-amp VST plugins by a guy called "Poulin". They are consistently rated among the best sounds you can get nowadays, particularly for mid and high gains, and for free.
http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/


For gigs, the story is (still) different. Reliability and easy setup and operation are key.
That's why so many pros go around with nothing but a small amp and a pedal or two, the rest of the magic is in the hands.
Even myself, big fan of versatility (and far from a pro) had settled down to two basic tones using my mustang floor. Either a Vox based tone with some grit, and a fat and broken Deluxe tone. Oh and don't forget about that Mesa grinder tone I put when the drummer feels like hitting it hard :)


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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2014 12:52 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
I was interested in you comment until I saw the part were "the Buggera sounds much better". I do not know what to make of that.

Regarding versatility, I discovered that a computer is way more versatile than any dedicated hardware solution around. And the funny thing about software is that nowadays is either free, or almost (compared to hardware based solutions). And of course, anyway, for your studio you need a computer with a DAW, so why not just add a plug-in or two to that?
For those interested in trying, download a free version of Reaper (or any other DAW) and then look around for the free guitar-amp VST plugins by a guy called "Poulin". They are consistently rated among the best sounds you can get nowadays, particularly for mid and high gains, and for free.
http://lepouplugins.blogspot.com/


For gigs, the story is (still) different. Reliability and easy setup and operation are key.
That's why so many pros go around with nothing but a small amp and a pedal or two, the rest of the magic is in the hands.
Even myself, big fan of versatility (and far from a pro) had settled down to two basic tones using my mustang floor. Either a Vox based tone with some grit, and a fat and broken Deluxe tone. Oh and don't forget about that Mesa grinder tone I put when the drummer feels like hitting it hard :)



Look - I built my firs tube amp when i was 15. Bugera uses a 1% metal film resistors for their amps and the amps are very good sounding amps. They only have bad Chinese pots and switches. But you can easly replace them with better ones.

I'm also a DSP coder and musician(my hobby).

I'm telling you that Kemper is a studio equipment but you can also take it with you to live performance . Just you have to scan your gig's . Settings and the other stuff are easier then in the mustang.
Well - i do not want to convince you. You have to hear it by yourself.

You also can import impulse responses from cab's from internet to the Kemper:)

You only telling that I'm bought Floor so it must be good.

So only i can tell you now is I'm selling floor or i will be using floor as midi pedal.


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