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Post subject: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Sun Jun 29, 2014 9:44 pm
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Hey guys, need some info...

I have been the owner of a mustang floor for some time now, and I really enjoy playing through it as my practice amp. It is connected to my Tech 21 Power engine 60 with stock Celestion 70/80 replaced with an a Eminence Cannabis Rex.

My question? I recently heard a Mustang V played through a 212 cab, and it sounded better than any tube amp in the store! Is there any reason for me to get the Mustang V Head and run it into a cab if I have the Mustang Floor already? Should I just run my Musfloor into the same cab that guy got aick tone from?

Thoughts?


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:37 am
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Should I just run my Musfloor into the same cab

You can't connect the Mustang Floor direct to a cab, you need a power amp (which in your case is inside the Tech 21 cab).

The Mustang V head is essentially a Mustang Floor (with a different control panel) and a built-in power amp. So you connect it to a passive speaker cab.

Both the Mustang V and the Tech 21 power amps are 'neutral' solid-state amps, so neither should affect the sound.

So, any difference you heard isn't down to the difference between the Mustang V and your Mustang Floor. It could be the particular settings on the Mustang of course. Or it could be the cab, it could be the acoustics of the environment where you heard it, it could be the technique of the person you heard playing.

Until you understand which factor most affected your perception of the sound, you can't really determine which piece of your equipment to change. But if you do decide to buy a 2x12 cab for your Mustang Floor, just remember you'll need to buy a stand-alone power amp too. Given that, it may be simpler/cheaper just to buy the Mustang V, but don't just assume that will suddenly give you a different tone.


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:43 am
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scott-uk wrote:
With your Mustang Floor, you connect it to an external power amp, which in your case is in the same box as the speakers.

I wonder what the Floor would sound like through a tube power amp. :twisted:

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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 7:26 am
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Another thought... if the OP likes the sound of a 2x12 cab, than maybe a Mustang 4 is the answer?

Ref the above tube amp - isn't that just a modified, rebadged, Fender Bassman circuit? :wink:


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 10:59 am
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Great ideas everyone. Thanks for input. I also have a presonus Tube-Pre. Would that work as a power amp for an extension cab by chance?

I may just pickup up a Mustang IV as mentioned. Are the stock speakers worthy?

I currently have a full analog pedalboard, some Tech 21 Sansamp pedals, Musfloor, Peavey valveking 212 with Cannabis Rex Speaks, and a Blackstar HT-5Rh head. When I travel and gig, I just want one piece of somethin' to carry with me instead of a billion cables and pedals, etc...

I love the musfloor for that very thing, but the combo may be the eay to go. I'm playing a Kotzen Telel right now, I may use the combo IV in conjunction with the musfloor, and turn amp model off on the floor, and just use as a stomp box.

I love the blackstar tube head, and my peavey Tube amp, but I've been tweaking my musfloor sound for awhile, and direct to the house, it sounds wonderful. Ahh, gear lust never ends, and the tone search is like trying to find peace at an MMA fight!

Ideas welcomed....


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:24 pm
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I also have a presonus Tube-Pre. Would that work as a power amp

No, this is a pre-amp(or appears to be from its spec). You need a power amp.

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Mustang IV ... are the stock speakers worthy?

Absolutely, I think they sound very good.

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I may use the combo IV in conjunction with the musfloor, and turn amp model off on the floor, and just use as a stomp box

That would work, but bear in mind all the M-Floor's effects would either be before the amp (if in-line with the guitar input) or after the amp modelling (if in the amp's fx-loop). If you want to get the 'correct' mix of pre- and post- effects, you'll either have use the M-Floor for both amp modelling and effects (then plug it into the amp's fx-return to bypass the amp's own modelling), or forego the M-Floor and just use the Mustang 4 combo, with all its modelling and effects.

If you do use just the combo, remember you have the MS-2, MS-4 and EXP-1 footswitches/pedal; you do have a lot of foot/stomp control available, it is worth investigating that route if you want to simplify your rig.

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Blackstar HT-5RH ... Peavey Valveking ... I love the Blackstar tube head and my Peavey tube amp

Just as a footnote, remember the Blackstar amp is 'hybrid technology' (that's what the HT in its name stands for), that uses a mixture of solid-state and valve/tube components to achieve its tone. The ValveKing too has some digital processing in its signal chain. That's not to dismiss either product; they are both clever and worthy packages at a good price, but don't think of them, or their tone, as a "pure" valve amp.

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I just want one piece of something to carry with me ... ideas welcomed

I think the simplest you will get is: either Mustang Floor and powered monitor(s), or Mustang 4 and its foot controls. Or if you can dispense with foot control (although from the rest of your post I'm assuming you want this), then your best bet for "one piece of something" is probably the Mustang combo.

Finally, note the Mustang 3 has identical features to the Mustang 4, is almost as loud, and is considerably more portable (it's 100 watts and a single 12" speaker). I mention as you may prefer the Mustang 3 for "something to carry" although I note you like the idea of a 2x12 cab which is the (heavier, bulkier) Mustang 4.


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:26 pm
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Great feedback, Scott-uk. Ill look into it all. I may just stick with my Mustang Floor connected to my Power Engine 60 and try out the other Mustang Amps over time and see if something fits me better. After all, I can always just take my Musfloor to my gigs direct to house and use their floor monitors for my ears. Thanks again guys, Lots of info here. Cheers. :D


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Mon Jun 30, 2014 9:59 pm
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NAMM is about to take place in mid-July. The Mustang Floor V1 has been off the market since the end of 2013. I'm wondering if a M Floor V2 is about to come out at NAMM. The V2 amps have more amp and stomp box models available as compared to the V1's. You may benefit from just waiting to see what Fender presents to the world at NAMM. I'm drooling over a new M Floor V2! Patience MAY just pay off :)


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 5:19 pm
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Lynn Nicholson wrote:
NAMM is about to take place in mid-July. The Mustang Floor V1 has been off the market since the end of 2013. I'm wondering if a M Floor V2 is about to come out at NAMM. The V2 amps have more amp and stomp box models available as compared to the V1's. You may benefit from just waiting to see what Fender presents to the world at NAMM. I'm drooling over a new M Floor V2! Patience MAY just pay off :)


Ok, now that opens up a new question for me!
Is my Musflor V1? I thought the firmware update was to take it to V2?

Why would fender make a new pedal only to add V2 which essentially is digital addons, not cosmetic?

Thoughts?


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:12 pm
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The V2 improvements to the MI thru MV included more amp and stomp box models than the V1 products had. Fender also added stereo XLR outs to the MIII thru MV; MFloor V1 already has the XLR outs. The only orphan of the bunch is the MFloor. So I'm hoping for at least a new MFloor V2 or possibly MORE capability!


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:16 pm
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Sorry, Jason. I failed to answer your question. The firmware updates cannot make your V1 into a V2. Fender would lose too much money designing that way.


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 7:51 pm
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Lynn Nicholson wrote:
Sorry, Jason. I failed to answer your question. The firmware updates cannot make your V1 into a V2. Fender would lose too much money designing that way.


No worries, Mate. Thanks for clarification. I may go with the Mustang IV just to have the 212 rig and 4 button switch for bi-weekly gigs, and take my Musfloor for my fly rig. I would probably buy the Musfloor V2 if it happens, just because it's...new gear! lol. Addicted to those shiny foot switches! Bahaaa!


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Post subject: Re: To V or not to V? That is the question!
Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 8:07 am
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Toys for boys!! I dig it :)


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