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Post subject: mustang 4
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 8:42 pm
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where is the mustang 4 amp made thanks in advance


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Post subject: Re: mustang 4
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 2:18 am
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The Mustangs are made in China. But this information is already freely available on the Fender website, so I'm curious for your reason for asking here? What difference does it make, what aspect of the amp or your use of it does this affect?


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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:05 pm
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I couldn`t find that information when I went searching for it and I thought I looked everywhere, so I came here, hoping. my reason for asking is that the last seven purchases, that where made in china either fell a part or broke down within two to four weeks of purchase. now I don`t buy anything made in china. example I bought an Ibanez archtop made in china. the selector switch popped into the guitar while I was switching pickups. I really wanted a mustang amp but if they`re made in china I don`t trust it to stay working no matter what name is on it. once again thank you for the info, you saved me five hundred bucks of aggravation.


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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:43 pm
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scott-uk wrote:
The Mustangs are made in China. But this information is already freely available on the Fender website, so I'm curious for your reason for asking here? What difference does it make, what aspect of the amp or your use of it does this affect?

American company and icon who makes *all* of its products in its own country while supporting American jobs and its own economy. Not a bad thing if you are an American out of work.

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Post subject: Re: mustang 4
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:46 pm
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permas wrote:
I couldn`t find that information when I went searching for it and I thought I looked everywhere, so I came here, hoping. my reason for asking is that the last seven purchases, that where made in china either fell a part or broke down within two to four weeks of purchase. now I don`t buy anything made in china. example I bought an Ibanez archtop made in china. the selector switch popped into the guitar while I was switching pickups. I really wanted a mustang amp but if they`re made in china I don`t trust it to stay working no matter what name is on it. once again thank you for the info, you saved me five hundred bucks of aggravation.

There are a lot more middle class in China these days. The rich and middle class will not *eat* anything made or grown in China. Everything is imported for them, even much of their drinking water. Most products though are made in China these days and we have a global thing called planned obsolescence. Not good for the earth and a very poor business model.

With that said, my Mustangs are a bargain of the century and nothing broke,... yet.

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Post subject: Re: mustang 4
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 1:44 pm
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made in china either fell a part or broke down

We need to think carefully about this. A skilled Chinese craftsman, working with good materials, to a good quality standard, will produce just as good a product as an American craftsman, working with the same materials and standards. Conversely, an unskilled/uncaring American, working with poor materials to a poor standard, will produce just as bad a product as an unskilled Chinese worker, etc.

Any company produces a range of products, at various quality levels, with various standards of component, materials, etc. A product made of good materials to a high standard will be of better quality than one made of poor materials to a lower standard.

It just so happens that most Western companies choose to make their high-end products (with skilled labour, good materials, high quality threshold, etc) in Western countries, and choose to make their lower-end products (lower skilled labour, poor materials, lower quality threshold, etc) in Eastern countries. Partly this is economics, partly it is consumer (mis-)perception driving demand for certain types of products.

So, we end up with the lower-end products being made in Eastern countries, and everyone therefore incorrectly assuming this means that's all the Eastern countries can do, and that quality is inherently lower in such a country. That is not the case.

As for Fender only building products in the USA, employing American workers: if they did that, they wouldn't be able to produce many of their product lines, because they wouldn't be able to sell them cheaply enough. So Fender use worldwide labour (because actually they are a worldwide company, not just an American company), which makes them more money, the profit from which does allow them to invest more across their business, which in turn does create American jobs. So they are doing the right thing.

As to the quality of the Mustang specifically: I have had mine two years and it has no faults. It is perfectly well made. I have seen a few issues reported by others, but none of these are related to the quality of workmanship in its construction, it's down to choice of materials by Fender. So the same issues would arise wherever it was made. (The issues I'm thinking of are mainly reports of the plastic jack sockets breaking - both the guitar and effects loop 1/4" sockets, as well as the smaller aux-in and headphones sockets; the USB socket also seems fragile; and I've read one report of the particleboard cabinet not being as robust as a plywood cabinet would be - none of these are "made in China" faults).


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Post subject: Re: mustang 4
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:26 pm
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I concur with Scott-UK. I own two M III's, a M 1, and donated my M Floor to church. All are high quality, reliable products. All but the M 1 I would gig with in a heartbeat. And I'm praying that Fender will come out with a M Floor V2 so that I can replace the donated V1.

There have been a few occasions when I picked up a Fender Squier Strat and absolutely hated the cheapness of everything on them. I've repaired them for friends and would never own one. I say that knowing that it has been years since I even bothered. In the meantime, Fender may have changed the quality level for the made-in-China Squier line. They might be OK. I dunno.

I've owned American made Strats and Teles for 30 plus years. Back in '07 I bought my first MIM Strat. They are made as well as the American made guitars and I have since bought two more. I've been through the Fender factory in Corona, CA and seen how they are made. Supposedly the Mexico factory uses the same machinery to work the wood, and uses the same hardware, paint, stains, etc. as the American made guitars. They just pay lower wages in Mexico.
One last tidbit. Mustang amps come with a 5-year warranty. You can't go wrong!


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Post subject: Re: mustang 4
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 3:29 pm
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BUY that Mustang IV V2. You won't regret it!


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Post subject: Re: mustang 4
Posted: Sat Jun 07, 2014 4:38 pm
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I get what you are saying, but consider:

- there are NO American tube manufacturers...none (that I know of, anyway)... EPA and other restrictions, so unless you are using NOS or really old stuff, you are using Chinese or Eastern European
- There are no American computer manufacturers, cell phone, or high tech makers. Everyone outsources the vast majority of components to China, Indonesia, Vietnam, everywhere BUT here. EPA, unions, personnel costs, everything factors into it - it simply is just too expensive to make American made high tech components. There is a very real cost to having US components in our line of work
- While ChiCom stuff used to be garbage, the quality is now on par with all but the highest order of custom shop shop stuff. My Epi LP is every bit as good and in many cases better than the mid level Gibson LP it replaced; some of the offshore acoustics are far superior to the competitive level Martin and Gibsons...etc.
- While I don't know about recent models, the 1st and 2nd yr Made in Mexico Fenders were actually IMO a step above everything except the Custom Shop for about 5 yrs there...again, they had something to prove, and they did in a big way. My MIM Strat is the best I've played, bar none.
- Sadly, we the nation did this to ourselves.

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