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Post subject: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 5:38 pm
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Have any of you used, or know of someone who has used the Fender Mustang Floor with no amplifier in a performance setting?

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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 1:00 am
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Lots of people do this. It's discussed in many topics all over this forum. People connect the M-Floor direct to mixers, PA systems, powered monitors, etc.

If you just want general guidance on what people do, probably best to search this forum for the existing information. Or do you have a specific new question?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 7:53 am
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I've used the M Floor directly into the PA system at church. The sound person likes this because it gives him more control of the mix. Whether or not it sounds good depends more on where and how the sound person includes me in the mix. When no one's around, I can crank it and it sounds great!

I've also used it to drive my Twin Reverb Reissue and Deluxe Reverb Reissue. It makes a GREAT pedal board for any style of music!

Last winter there were rumors that a Mustang Floor V2 would be coming out, so I donated my V1 to the church, since there are a couple of other electric guitar players who have been going into the sound system dry in the past. I also have a Digitech RP500 which I don't like anywhere near as much as the M Floor, but I use it now and still am holding out for the new M Floor V2. There has been no announcement that it is forthcoming, but Fender have quit distributing new Floors to the music stores. Can't find them new online.

So Fender, come on! I'm dying here!!!


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Tue Jun 10, 2014 11:06 pm
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Lynn, I was thinking about doing exactly what you're doing. I also play in a church and I want to simplify the the setup as much as possible.

Currently using a Mustang I with a mic. I'm thinking a Mustang Floor would give me more versatility, add a pedal, and eliminate the mic and amp. Lot's of benefits and slightly less gear to setup.

I would have less control on my monitor since I use the mustang I strictly as a monitor but that is the only downside I foresee.

Thanks,

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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Wed Jun 11, 2014 7:05 pm
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I also use my floor at church. I am currently building a board for it all.

Currently I go from my guitar (mostly Fender Telecaster) into MXR Dyna Comp into Boss Volume Pedal - Tuner out into Korg Pitch Black (Yes I like the tuner on the floor, I just find the Korg more responsive) Regular output into Mustang Floor. Right XLR out into house PA, left unbalanced output into my Vox Pathfinder amp (the older 45 watt version).

This gives the house lot's of control and I use the Vox amp mainly as a personal monitor fr my sound. You may ask why the 2 volume pedals (the boss and the one on the floor). Since the one on the Floor itself, is post amp, you can use it to swell and not have your tone change. With the one pre Floor, I can use it to change the tone when desired. I really love having that flexibility to decide where I can change the volume and whether I want that change to affect tone/drive. I also set the default for the Floor pedal to one of the parameters in the patch. I just wish there was a way to switch what the pedal controls using your foot without having to change the parameter to max to hit that pedal switch.

I want to add a few pieces to the mix (Maybe my Vox wah - I like the Floor wah - I am just used to my Vox more) pre Mustang Floor, And maybe a Distortion +, MXR La Machine Fuzz, and either MXR OD or Red Zone Polterdrive 2 stage OD all in the loop section. I will post some pictures when I finish it all.

I set up all my patches stomp box style. So I have extra punch in the stomp box at the ready, some type of modulation at the ready, and some type of delay at the ready. This way, I only need a half dozen patches and have flexibility. I am very pleased with the set up and the sound. I purchased my Floor when my Digitech RP2000 died. I was planning on replacing that with the Digitech RP1000. But when mine died, I did not ahve the money and was desperate as I was setting up 6 pedals in front of my vox and struggling. I came upon the Floor by accident and found one for $199. I was not familiar with the Mustang series at all. After trying it out for 15 mins I was sold. I have been very well pleased and a couple of the other guitar players are thinking of trading in their Line 6's for a floor.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Thu Jul 17, 2014 3:49 pm
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Hey NJ Worship Leader, what you're doing is exactly what I'm going to be doing. I've played guitars for years and years, many times as part of a praise and worship group. Always have used mic'd amps. I now have two complete guitar rigs (small head, cab and full pedalboard) set up at two other locations. But when I got yet another gig, this one at a new large church, I looked around for another option and settled on the Mustang Floor. I'm just now getting used to editing presets and saving them back to the Floor. I'm doing it the way you did, that is, creating some sort of basic sound but having a stomp, a mod, and a delay at the ready to switch in and out as needed. I'm using a midi pedal to access presets so I can leave the Floor in FX Select mode instead of in Preset mode. But here's the rub: I haven't played live yet and I'm going to rehearsal with the Floor for the first time tommorow night with no amp or cab. Just plugging straight into the mixer and using ear buds or headphones for monitoring. So we'll see how it goes. Thanks for your post. Nice to know my thinking isn't to far out there or something.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 8:50 am
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Sterling, glad to help. If you want some starting points you can search for "worship" in the presets and a few of mine will come up you can use to start things off with. I have some newer ones I need to add, and update some of the ones I already loaded up.

We still use wedge monitors and it's frustrating for the sound guys. Let us know how things work out.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 3:06 pm
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I really appreciate your offer of help with the Floor. I'm going to my first rehearsal tonight using just it for my sound, listening w/earbuds. I do have one big question that has also frustrated me. Once I edit a preset that was on my computer, I save the edits and I usually then save it to the pedal in the location I desire. But I have wanted to rename the newly saved preset to something that makes sense to me. Is there a way to change the name of a preset?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Fri Jul 18, 2014 7:54 pm
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sterling3145 wrote:
I really appreciate your offer of help with the Floor. I'm going to my first rehearsal tonight using just it for my sound, listening w/earbuds. I do have one big question that has also frustrated me. Once I edit a preset that was on my computer, I save the edits and I usually then save it to the pedal in the location I desire. But I have wanted to rename the newly saved preset to something that makes sense to me. Is there a way to change the name of a preset?


Yes there is. There are two ways to do it.

1) When the preset is up in the Fuse software you can rename it when you save it and then load the renamed version back to your pedal. It will be easier to rename here because you can use your keyboard to type the name instead of having to use the data wheel.

2) When the desired preset is up on the floor unit, if you press the save button it will give you the option to rename it, even change the associated preset number if you wish. The downside of doing this is that you have to use the data wheel to change the letters and this can be tedious if there are a lot of characters.

I hope that's clear enough for you, if not let me know and I will give more specifics.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 8:37 am
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Tomorrow at church we are playing five songs. For the first four, I just use a '65 Twin Reverb model with reverb and a nice, rich chorus and my Strat in neck-middle PU combination, and I just play chords and arpeggios where I feel it works. For the last song, Agnus Dei, I whipped up a patch using the Super Sonic Burn, 65 Reverb and tape delay. Same Strat, bridge-middle PUs and the tone backed off a bit. Gives a nice flute-like sustained tone. I will echo some of the vocal phrases and follow the melody line. Key of E, played at the 12th fret.

Since I donated my MFloor to church, and since Fender has yet to come out with the much-anticipated MFloor V2, I'll be hauling my MIII(V2) to church, going into the PA via XLR-out, with the amp's volume knob all the way down and using a personal monitor on a stand next to my music stand. The Digitech RP500 just couldn't cut the mustard for the Agnus Dei part.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 9:29 am
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I was about to buy a Floor and wondered about the V2 possibility, so I had my dealer call the distributor and ask about that. The answer: the Floor V1 is scheduled for production through December 2014, and a new batch was shipped to retailers July 11. With that info, and seeing no announcement of a Floor V2 at NAMM last week, I bought a Floor V1. Love it. I use a Mustang III V2 for home and the Floor for direct-to-PA at church and it's a good set, I can develop presets on the MIII and copy them to the Floor for performance. The MIII V2 has a few amp and pedal models that the Floor V1 doesn't, but I don't miss them, you just have to be careful about which ones you use when you build a preset.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Sat Jul 19, 2014 11:03 am
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NJ Worship Leader, you said I could "rename a preset when you save it." Whenever I have edited a preset, and the SAVE button up top changes from white to pink indicating something has been changed, I have been just clicking the SAVE button. Then I right click on the preset name in the Media Library and use the pop-up menu to save the edited preset back to the Mustang Floor simultaneously choosing which number to write it to. At no time during this process has there been a chance to rename the preset. When, how does that come up? FYI, renaming presets is not mentioned at all in the Mustang Floor manual or the FUSE manual.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 11:58 am
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In the Fuse software, On the Upper Left there is a <Main> tab. When you click that you get a new set of tabs, one of them being a <File> tab. When you click on that there is a <Save As> option that allows you to rename the preset. (I did this with out the floor connected)

On the Floor itself, when you press the <save> button it brings up the preset number and name info. The number will be highlighted, so you can change the number if you wish. THis is very useful for when you want variations of the same basic Amp sound but different stomps or mods, you basically copy that preset to another location. If you click the data wheel, the name portion becomes highlighted and you can now change the first character of the name. By adjusting the data wheel and clicking on it to advance to the next character you can change the name. That's why it's a pain in the butt, because you have to do 1 character at a time by rotating the wheel the pushing to advance to the next character. Pushing the <save> button when that is completed should change location and/or name.

The way you have been doing it, I am not sure if there is a way to rename it during that process. I do the majority of my major preset editing with the software, save it to the media library then place it where I want on the Floor list. I may do some tweaking on the Floor and then back those changes up to the media library.

I hope that helps.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Sun Jul 20, 2014 1:58 pm
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Yes, thank you. All of that makes sense. I was hoping you would understand the method I have been using based on my description. I have done zero editing or exploring, really, on the Floor. Everything I've been doing is in the FUSE software. So obviously one major improvement, as far as I'm concerned, would be for future versions of FUSE to include the ability to rename presets since you can already do that to presets in the Floor.

So now I will follow your method. I will still set up and edit presets in FUSE and copy them to the Floor. There I will rename them so they make sense to me; probably things like FndrClean-Dly for Fender Clean with Delay, or MrshCrunch-Dly+Chrs for Marshall Crunch with Chorus and Delay, or maybe just Marshall Crunch without mentioning the effects in the name since those can be turned ON and OFF. If the data wheel characters don't include hyphens or plus signs I'll do something else. But the point is I want descriptive names for the sound.

Another idea I've had is to set up one bank of five presets based on a single amp model but with different effects or volume levels and degree of distortion as you move from left to right using the pedal buttons. Maybe one bank for a Fender amp sound, another for Marshall, another for Vox and another for Rectifier amp sounds. Whether that would be usable in a live situation playing a variety of songs in a set, I don't know.

Thanks again.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Floor with no amp
Posted: Mon Jul 21, 2014 5:09 am
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Sorry, NJ Worship Leader, I somehow missed the first sentence in your previous post. Now that I've seen that I was able to use the FUSE software > Main Menu > Save Preset As... function to rename my edited presets. So thanks again for taking the time and trouble to respond to my posts. It has made a major difference in my being able to use the Floor.

I do have another complaint/request in on another part of this board about a problem I believe I have with the volume/expression pedal on my Floor. I actually believe one of the components on my Floor's pedal is defective. In volume mode, there is no swell of volume. It goes from OFF to full ON as you move the pedal with no gradual increase in volume. When it's in expression mode and I'm using it to change a parameter, such as the frequencies in the wah effect, it does the same thing. It goes from the low, heel-down frequency straight to the high, toe-down frequency with no gradual change in between. I don't know what to do except to have a conversation with Fender tech staff and see if they suggest returning it to them for evaluation/repair/replacement.

Thanks, again.


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