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Post subject: Just got my Mustang III...???
Posted: Mon Jun 02, 2014 5:04 pm
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V1, Used from GC, had to wait a looong 30 days ( town police requirement for used equipment) $150

Sounds great..
A few questions, going to search the forum but thought I'd ask 1st..

Playing with fuse it looks like I can add the same effects before or after...the amp???
whats the difference?

how does changing the sequence of the effects, affect things?

Also seems that 100 presets is to many, looking for a strategy to set up the first few presets to what I could actually use.. not sure of the best way to do this.

only complaint is the data wheel spins to easy. like a GM ignition...
better if it had more resistance. it spins past the next amp to easy..

ok off to research.. thanks

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Post subject: Re: Just got my Mustang III...???
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 12:08 am
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how does changing the sequence of the effects, affect things?

This is a big topic, and applies to all guitar effects, whether stomp-boxes, rack-mount effects, DSP modelling in an amplifier, etc. It has been discussed at great length all over the internet, you may find fuller/quicker answers to your questions there.

In brief: the default effects order on the Mustangs is the order that most people use, most of the time. Many years of experience by many people has shown that effects tend to work best (ie sound best) in this order. For the reasons why this is the case, again there are many articles on the 'net that your favourite search engine will find.

If you want to experiment with a different order, then 'experiment' really is the key word - just try stuff and see if you like the sound. What you like may be different from what others like, so don't pay too much attention to others' recommendations.

As an example of the sort-of difference the effects order can make: think what would happen if you put a tremolo before the amp model, with that amp model on a high-gain (ie distorting) setting. Rather than the tremolo changing the volume of the sound, it would simply change the amount of distortion: the sound would go from clean to distorted at (about) the same volume.

A rule of thumb is that effects which change the waveform shape (compression, distortion, wah, etc) work best at the front of the signal chain, and effects which modulate the waveform (ie superpose two waveforms, either two copies of the audio - flanger, echo, chorus, etc - or the audio and another wave - tremolo etc) work best later in the signal chain. Effects which mimic 'external' factors, such as reverb and delay, work best last in the chain.


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Post subject: Re: Just got my Mustang III...???
Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 1:23 am
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Poprivet wrote:
Also seems that 100 presets is to many, looking for a strategy to set up the first few presets to what I could actually use.. not sure of the best way to do this.


In all likelihood you're probably going to find that there aren't a lot of factory presets you're interested in using. What you will find is that the presets in the 90-100 slots are pretty much standard amp models. What I did for a buddy of mine that just got a Mustang III and wanted to simplify things is, I took a few of the basic presets like the Deluxe, the Twin, and the Marshall and copied them to slots 0 - 2. We then tweaked them to match what he wanted for a nice clean setting, a crunchy setting, and a heavy overdrive setting. You can start with those and then add others as needed.

You'll probably find over time there are just going to be a handful of presets you're going to use. My personal strategy is I keep a library of presets in slots 0 - 19 that I commonly use. I then copy the ones I will be using for a gig up to 40 and above prior to the gig. But everyone has a different strategy that works for them.

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Posted: Tue Jun 03, 2014 4:03 pm
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That's pretty much what I did- stuck a somewhat dirty and a clean preset on top of the heap, and pretty much ignore the others. I use real pedals, though, so two is all I needed. All of the extra dirt comes from either my distortion or my od pedal.

The presets are of my own make, after floundering about looking to see what all the amp could do. I believe the "clean" one started out in life as the "Country Deluxe" preset. I re-amped it to use the '65 twin, and added the vintage tremolo (defaulted to off). It already had compressor and 63 Fender Spring Reverb on it. The EQ worked for me as is, so I left it alone. It works for both singles and 'buckers, but, as I set it up using my Tele, it Shines more with single coils. Adding my dist with the level slightly pushed and distortion at around noon gives me a pretty darn good impression of a Jazzmaster into a just barely starting to cook amp! Chime like a mo-fo on the 4,5,and 6th strings. ( chorus pedal optional)

The dirty was my attempt to A) put something a bit quieter in the default slot, so I didn't have the amp screaming at me with the Liquid Solo Preset whenever I turned it on. And B) get a nice warm clean/light bluesy crunch. I went with the '59 Bassman model, as it does a NICE crunch. I don't remember how it started out in life... Just has some large room reverb on it. I'd read a lot of praise for the 2x12c speaker cab, and when I gave it a whirl with this preset, I liked it so much I kept it. This preset likes anything I plug into it. It stacks GREAT with my pedals, and makes my p90 and Gibbo bucker loaded guitars really sound good. Singles make a warm clean, p90s- a bit dirty, buckers make a light bluesy crunch. It cleans up well, too.

Neither preset took long at all to set up, once I figured out what I wanted.

Hope that helped.

Pretty much ALL the Fender amp models, except the Super Sonic will give you a very nice clean tone- as you'd expect. Many will also give you a really good crunch tone- the Champ and Bassman esp get lots of praise for this. (crank the Champ model with lots of room reverb- it'll put a BIG grin on your face!)

The Brit 60's (Vox AC30) is VERY dynamic. You can get a lot of mileage out of it!

Brit 70s (Plexi) is likely my favorite non Fender model. Everything from a touch of hair to RAWK GOD.


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