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Post subject: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:26 am
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Hi guys. I am a rather old noobie trying to get into guitar playing.
I bought a Mustang I v2 a couple of months ago and think it is great.
I have recently purchased a Marshall pedl 10008 single channel footswitch to use with my Mustang and, once I had discovered that I had to set it up with the amp (not via Fuse) everything appears ok except that when I press the switch to change presets it seems to swiitch off the backing track.
Any ideas will be very welcome.


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:30 am
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I should have pointed out that my amp is connected to my pc using both usb and aux cables and I play the backing tracks using Fuse via the aux cable to my Mustang.


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 7:28 am
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Surely someone must have used a Marshall single footswitch with the Mustang I v2. Come on guys.


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 10:10 am
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James Rydell wrote:
Surely someone must have used a Marshall single footswitch with the Mustang I v2.

Not really.

Here is the correct Fender part number:

part # 0994049000
$19.99 at Guitar Center

I'm not all that surprised a Marshall footswitch isn't working with your Fender Mustang Amp.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 11:26 am
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I agree with 'strings' that the Marshall footswitch isn't the right item for your amp, although I am surprised that using it "seems to switch off the backing track."

I presume by "switch off" you mean that the backing track sound stops coming through the amp speaker, rather than that the track actually stops playing on your PC?

The aux-in socket (your post implies you have connected the audio output from your PC to the amp's aux-in socket, to play the backing track through the amp speaker) isn't something that can be switched on/off by any other means, implying that there is no such switching in its circuit anywhere. It's simply fed straight into the power amp, mixed with the guitar signal.

The footswitch (just a simple open/close circuit switch I think) doesn't carry any audio, it is used solely by the amp's DSP to determine which preset to play.

Does the sound stop when you move to the second preset, but come back on when you go back to the first preset with the footswitch, or does it stay silent on subsequent presses of the footswitch? If the former, does the same thing happen when you change presets using the controls on the amp itself, or does the audio continue playing?


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:48 pm
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Many thanks for your comments.
I am aware that the Marshall is not the recommended footswitch for the Mustang however I have read reports on the internet that It is more robust than the Fender unit and has been used successfuly with the Mustang. I therefore decided to go with it.
I did point out in my post that I am using Fender Fuse when this happens however I forgot to mention that the backing track is switched off within Fender Fuse. Sorry that I did not make this clear.
The backing track stays silent with subsequent presses of the footswitch and I have had to reload the backing track and press 'start' within Fender Fuse to get going again.
Sorry for the confusion.


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 3:57 pm
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Its an open/close type of switch. There is no need, reason or functional andvantage for anything more robust. Nor will anything but an open/close type of switch work. I didn't care for the round Fender switch so made my own out of a stomp switch from a wah pedal and an old DI Box I had laying around. Its very easy to do

As for the backing track stopping, perhaps if its playing through fuse, the change in preset burps fuse and playback stops. Try plugging in an mp3 player into the aux. I can't see the footswitch interfering with the aux in either.

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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 1:36 am
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the backing track is switched off within Fender Fuse

This is very odd. This shouldn't happen.

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if its playing through fuse, the change in preset burps fuse

Yes, this is the only feasible explanation. The 'preset change' message that FUSE receives from the amp via USB could be triggering a bug in FUSE to stop the playback.

I bet if you unplug the USB connection to the amp (but leave the audio connected to the aux-in), then the audio will continue playing when you press the footswitch.


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 3:38 am
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The band (backing) tracks are assigned to each preset in FUSE so changing the preset changes the band track - even if it is the same band track (did that make sense?).

A work around is to use a different audio player to play back the band tracks - which is exactly what I do. The audio player I use to do this is a small, portable (needs no installation) freeware app called Looper that you can find here:

http://skwire.dcmembers.com/wb/pages/software/looper.php


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:49 pm
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Thanks again for your excellent responses.
I note captainc's comments and would advise that I have used my Nexus 7 in the past to play the backing tracks into my Mustang however since buying the Mustang, I've found Fuse to be very user friendly as all presets and backing tracks are in one place.
I will definately try disconnecting the USB cable as suggested by scott-uk to see what happens.
P90sdude comments are very interesting as it seems there is a bug in Fuse. As this is a modelling amp I would not expect the backing track to switch with the preset as this seems to defeat the purpose of the amp. Maybe Fender can do something about this with a software upgrade.
This also leads me to the question of whether or not the Fender single footswitch would also behave in this manner. Has anyone out there experienced the same problem?


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 2:10 pm
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Update
I have disconnected the USB cable as suggested by scott-uk and yes, the Marshall pedl10008 switches presets (and back again) with no trouble at all. Obviously without the usb cable I cannot change presets on the Mustang amp using fuse however I have not yet tried changing presets on my computer using Fuse without the USB cable.
Regarding p90sdude's comments, I re-attached the USB cable and loaded looper onto my PC. This enabled me to load presets via Fuse however the backing track were played using Looper (not Fuse) and everything worked as it should. When I changed presets with the Marshall, everything was perfect and I could change backwards and forwards with no problem at all. A big thank you p90sdude.
All this leads me to three issues: -
(1) Fender Fuse appears to have a bug ( unless Fender intended Fuse to work this way).
(2) Marshall pedl10008 works very well with the Mustang I v2.
(3) Does Fuse still have the bug when the recommended Fender single footswitch is used?


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 5:47 pm
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James Rydell wrote:
P90sdude comments are very interesting as it seems there is a bug in Fuse.


It's not a bug but by design. FUSE works with other amps besides the Mustang line up, in particular the G-DEC 3 amps that have on-board memory for backing tracks assigned per preset. I don't have a G-DEC 3 but I assume that when a G-DEC preset in FUSE is saved to the amp, the band track is saved to the amp as well.

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(3) Does Fuse still have the bug when the recommended Fender single footswitch is used?


The Fender foot switch works the same as yours.


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 1:06 am
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Thanks to everyone for their constructive comments.
I now have a footswitch that works perfectly with my Mustang I v2


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Sun Apr 13, 2014 12:08 pm
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It's not a bug but by design

Hmm, maybe it's intentional that it behaves that way, but to me it doesn't seem particularly useful on the Mustangs. More often than not, one may want to use more than one preset in a single song (eg to switch from 'rhythm' to 'solo' and back etc). This behaviour of FUSE precludes doing that. It would be nicer if the behaviour were at least configurable.


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Post subject: Re: Marshall pedl 10008 annd Mustang I v2
Posted: Mon Apr 14, 2014 12:48 am
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I agree with Scott-uk. As I mentioned in one of my earlier posts, the Mustang is a modelling amp and in my opinion this 'design feature' seems to defeat the object of the amp.
I am relatively new to guitar playing and not likely to try to switch between rythm and lead (maybe later) and pleased that my Marshall switch will now work. However I am disappointed that Fuse behaves in this manner and more so if I had bought the 'specified' fender footswitch and found out that it did not work as expected.
I would welcome Fender's comments on this matter as nowhere in the Fender literature is this 'feature' mentioned. Also if Fender intend to issue some sort of upgrade for the Mustang to fix it.


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