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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 12:37 pm
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My thing would work so
a) you upload your set of presets to my web site from your PC
(there is a browser facility to let the user upload multiple files in a few clicks)
b) you re- order them as needed and make your edits to names /descriptions/levels
c) now you want to get them back to your PC..



ah okay, so it is an application on your server: the user can't download and install anything on his pc.
mmh, i don't like the web applications (converters etc.) ... you have to be connected to use it. No, i want to be able to work off-line.
perhaps is better the way to ask for an open source GUI to the developper i mentioned before.. (on Sourceforge.net)

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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:54 pm
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I need to do it right before or during a gig

In which case my suggested workaround would seem to provide the simplest/quickest way to achieve what you want in a hurried situation with potential distractions, better than having a drag-n-drop interface for moving things around. But each to their own; some people seem to want to do bulk editing/moving of a large number of presets mid-gig, others are happy with a small number of relatively fixed presets. Comes back to my point that Fender picked a particular set of features at a particular price point. It suits a lot of people very well, there are bound to be a few for whom Fender's chosen feature set isn't right for them.


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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Thu Apr 10, 2014 8:38 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
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virtually every modeler on the market has far more effects and is far more versatile.

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The only problem was that their floor board arrangement was a nightmare.

That doesn't sound very versatile.


The Zoom FX and routing were hugely more versatile that the Mustangs. Even the switches had far more functionality. It's really that they had too much functionality in that stepping on 2 or holding one down would get to a different bank or into looper and it was too easy to screw up during live performance.


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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 10:32 am
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vintagevibe wrote:
It's really that they had too much functionality in that stepping on 2 or holding one down would get to a different bank or into looper and it was too easy to screw up during live performance.


I'll say, I love my G3X but I wish you could lock the switches (there's always something)...


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Posted: Fri Apr 11, 2014 12:30 pm
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joebeets wrote:
vintagevibe wrote:
It's really that they had too much functionality in that stepping on 2 or holding one down would get to a different bank or into looper and it was too easy to screw up during live performance.


I'll say, I love my G3X but I wish you could lock the switches (there's always something)...


I was really hoping that they would come out with a pro version with a better pedal board but I gave up and bought a GT-100 instead.


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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:24 am
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I need to do it right before or during a gig

In which case my suggested workaround would seem to provide the simplest/quickest way to achieve what you want in a hurried situation with potential distractions, better than having a drag-n-drop interface for moving things around. But each to their own; some people seem to want to do bulk editing/moving of a large number of presets mid-gig, others are happy with a small number of relatively fixed presets. Comes back to my point that Fender picked a particular set of features at a particular price point. It suits a lot of people very well, there are bound to be a few for whom Fender's chosen feature set isn't right for them.



That wouldn't work for me because I may decide a certain song needs a different sound during the gig and since I have to put presets for each song adjacent that would require creating a new set on the gig which would be nightmare. have preset backups would not be the same as being able to easily change preset order on the fly - like every other editor on the market.


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Posted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 1:34 pm
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Hi vintagevibe,

Thanks for your reply and information here. And I do understand where you are coming from. If I may ask, do you normally have a PC/Mac and or editor/DAW, etc. set up and running at your gigs (or would you like to)?

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Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 12:01 am
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Honestly, besides the outdated Silverlight UI for FUSE, FUSE and Mustangs are operating as designed for me. I was not expecting pro software or features. But, the Mustangs completely surprised me. I own an M3 and M5. They sound fantastic. They have an interface to dial-in great tones easily and quickly. I'd rather not "program" the damn thing. I prefer just to be rockin' out!

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P.S. To answer Alan, no. I dial-in patches using a laptop outside of live performances, since you can only put stompboxes in the FX loop using FUSE. I use the 2 and 4 button FS when performing. I may tweak patches in realtime here and there, but only using the amp's natural interface, which rocks btw. I used to own a Cyber Twin, so maybe I'm already conditioned? :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 10:13 am
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Hi,

I take this opportunity to remind that not only lacks the function to handle the order of the presets directly on the amp , but it also lacks the other important and common feature of being able to change the order of the effects in the chain without having to carry your notebook ( the problem is not use Fuse, in itself, but having to connect often the notebook, an extra device, for example to access some functions otherwise inaccessible eg the bright switch) .
Among other things , the effects do not keep even the memory of the last setting that was made (a real pedal or rack effect remains as it has been set) , so if you have saved a preset, then later select it and change an effect ( also by mistake ) , its parameters are always reset to the default values ​​. This behavior is not very practical and doesn't reflect the real things with knobs.
The same applies to the order in the chain effects : if with Fuse you save a different chain order (e.g. Vibratone in alternative position), and then from the amplifier you select another effect (as variation), the second effect chosen will return to the default position and not in the location in which you put the other via Fuse .


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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:39 am
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Fender TSL wrote:
Hi vintagevibe,

Thanks for your reply and information here. And I do understand where you are coming from. If I may ask, do you normally have a PC/Mac and or editor/DAW, etc. set up and running at your gigs (or would you like to)?

Best Regards,

Alan


On my gigs I have a laptop that I user for backing tracks and programming whichever modeler I'm using.


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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 9:55 am
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frondizi wrote:
Hi,
I take this opportunity to remind that not only lacks the function to handle the order of the presets directly on the amp , but it also lacks the other important and common feature of being able to change the order of the effects in the chain without having to carry your notebook ( the problem is not use Fuse, in itself, but having to connect often the notebook, an extra device, for example to access some functions otherwise inaccessible eg the bright switch) .


I think implementing additional on-amp features like this go against the primary design goals of Mustangs. I selected the Mustangs primarily for great tones and secondary for the straight forward, but powerful amp settings. It's a BONUS they also offer the USB interface for more advanced features and settings.

frondizi wrote:
Among other things , the effects do not keep even the memory of the last setting that was made (a real pedal or rack effect remains as it has been set) , so if you have saved a preset, then later select it and change an effect ( also by mistake ) , its parameters are always reset to the default values ​​. This behavior is not very practical and doesn't reflect the real things with knobs.


I have not had any problems with effects not retaining the values I set as long as I SAVE them before changing the patch or turning off the amp.

frondizi wrote:
The same applies to the order in the chain effects : if with Fuse you save a different chain order (e.g. Vibratone in alternative position), and then from the amplifier you select another effect (as variation), the second effect chosen will return to the default position and not in the location in which you put the other via Fuse .


Use FUSE to perform deeper editing like this. I don't think you would be swapping real stompboxes around during a live gig either. :)

Perhaps either I am not fully understanding your use cases for the amp, or you require something much more advanced than the Mustang line?


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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 3:29 pm
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rockman73 wrote:
frondizi wrote:
Hi,
I take this opportunity to remind that not only lacks the function to handle the order of the presets directly on the amp , but it also lacks the other important and common feature of being able to change the order of the effects in the chain without having to carry your notebook ( the problem is not use Fuse, in itself, but having to connect often the notebook, an extra device, for example to access some functions otherwise inaccessible eg the bright switch) .


I think implementing additional on-amp features like this go against the primary design goals of Mustangs. I selected the Mustangs primarily for great tones and secondary for the straight forward, but powerful amp settings. It's a BONUS they also offer the USB interface for more advanced features and settings.

frondizi wrote:
Among other things , the effects do not keep even the memory of the last setting that was made (a real pedal or rack effect remains as it has been set) , so if you have saved a preset, then later select it and change an effect ( also by mistake ) , its parameters are always reset to the default values ​​. This behavior is not very practical and doesn't reflect the real things with knobs.


I have not had any problems with effects not retaining the values I set as long as I SAVE them before changing the patch or turning off the amp.

frondizi wrote:
The same applies to the order in the chain effects : if with Fuse you save a different chain order (e.g. Vibratone in alternative position), and then from the amplifier you select another effect (as variation), the second effect chosen will return to the default position and not in the location in which you put the other via Fuse .


Use FUSE to perform deeper editing like this. I don't think you would be swapping real stompboxes around during a live gig either. :)

Perhaps either I am not fully understanding your use cases for the amp, or you require something much more advanced than the Mustang line?


Rockman73, my feelings exactly.

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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Sun Apr 20, 2014 5:44 pm
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rockman73 wrote:
It's a BONUS they also offer the USB interface for more advanced features and settings.


I don't agree: if i choose a digital sound processor or a digital amp , i like (and i would expect) to find all the common benefits that digital technology offers in addiction to great tones...
features like selectable order in effect chain and keep memory of the last parameters setting (instead going back to a fixed default setting) are not bonus but are common in all DSP... whether they are expensive or more affordable.
(sometimes you could find even a few slot available to save more variations or typical setting for every effect type)


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I have not had any problems with effects not retaining the values I set as long as I SAVE them before changing the patch or turning off the amp.

the point probably is another: just the user or musician can know what is his/her default setting for an amp model or a certain kind of effect . So a fixed default setting is not the ideal because the ideal would be to keep in memory a certain setting and the next time start from there being able to recall it from every preset, and experience further small variations depending on amp model, kind of tone(clean, saturated..) etc..

For example you set a stomp distortion "a" then you try the distortion "b" and do of course a different setting..
in the next preset(s) you don't find your settings ("my fuzz", "my overdrive", "my compressor" , "my chorus" and so on , which on my opinion may coincide with the last setting made.. : it can be a very good compromise ) for those distortions but you'll find the factory default settings so you have to start over again.

Let's see another among several cases: you want test if in a certain preset it is better the chorus or the flanger; you have already found a proper setting for the chorus , then you select the flanger ... you can't do an A/B comparision or chorus/flanger because if you switch to flanger, the other will back to default and viceversa.
So to do that, should i overwrite the next preset with a copy of the precedent, with the only variation the modulation effect? i don't think it is an optimal solution.

Dimitri


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Post subject: Re: Abandoning Mustang because Fender already has...
Posted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:22 am
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Hi vintagevibe,

Thanks for the clarification on the status of the notebook at the gig. I will pass along your user set up information to the related folks here.

Best Regards,

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