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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 10:57 am
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I tend to agree with Archtop Bill on this. I completely appreciate how overwhelming the Mustang might appear to you as an obvious beginner with all of the options, and Fender's documentation of the amp doesn't make it any easier. But maybe a simplified approach to get you started might help.

You mentioned the Vox amp you looked at. Do you realize you already have that amp? It's the one on the selection knob called "BRITISH 60s". You have three different variations on the setting pre-made for you, but you can change them and save them to be more to your liking. It may be best for you to simply stick with ONE model and tweak that to what you need.

Since you were wanting a clean sound, turn the selection dial until you have a green LED light next to the British 60's. Leave it there and play through it. If it's not as clean as you would like, first turn the knobs marked Mod and Dly/Rvb completely off (full to the left). That will remove all effects. If the sound is still not as clean as you'd like, turn the Gain knob counter-clockwise until you get a nice clean sound. You can also change the Volume, Treble, and Bass knobs to get the clean sound you want. Once you've gone through those steps and the amp sounds the way you want, press the "Save" button two times.

You now have that same Vox amp you were looking at in the store set to clean. The next time you turn on your amp, simply turn the selection knob until the LED next to "British 60s" is illuminated green, and you have the same Vox clean amp setting.

If you would like a little more distortion or effects, I'd suggest staying with the Vox amp for the time being and turn the selection knob until the LED light is RED next to the British 60's setting. Go through the same process described above, but this time adding more Gain which will add more distortion or crunch to the sound, and/or play with different settings for the Mod and Dly/Rvb dials. Press the Save button twice to save it and now you have that Vox amp on a clean setting (Green LED) and a distorted with effects setting (Red LED).

In your case I'd stick with just the one British 60's model. You can change any settings as much as you'd like while you're playing, but they won't be saved permanently unless you hit the save button twice. Bear in mind that the yellow/amber LED version of the British 60's (Vox) amp can be modified as well, but just not saved. Once you're comfortable with the process you can expand it and try out some of the other amps there like the Fender amps such as the 65 Twin Reverb, the 59 Bassman, or the 57 Deluxe Reverb.

The amp has an enormous amount of potential which is good because it will accommodate you for a long time as your skills grow. But for now, just start simple and stay with the basics and save yourself $300.



Dude. Great coaching. IF only Fender wrote something like this many folk would not be running scared.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 11:22 am
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What kind of music are you in to?

I was torn between the Frontman and the Mustang I and ended up getting the Mustang II. Very glad I did. For the same price you have a LOT of on board FX and stomps at your disposal should you decide you want to up the anti. You can make this AMP VERY simple. Take the advice above and rotate all the FX knobs to the left to turn everything off. Go through the clean amps and find one or two that tickle your fancy and treat as you would any other AMP by adjusting Gain and EQ to taste.

Once you have some tones going, you can hook up to fuse if you wish and add a stomp, and with a footswitch, you can have say a clean preset on one footswitch setting and that same preset with an OD added on the other. You can buy the switch for cheap. I opted to build my own out of some spare parts but the fender one is only 14 bucks I think.

My advice to any Mustang I/II owners is to program the FX knobs in fuse using the “Save Effects” function. That way you can tailor the mod and reverb/delay knobs to your needs and if you want to add on the fly you can do it right there on the amp. The possibilities with the mustang line make this AMP a much better option for the money. The Frontman is a cool little amp for the money. You just might find yourself wanting more and the mustang has plenty of room for growth.


Quality wise both Frontman 25R and Mustang sound the same if tuned or adjusted right, correct? How much difference is there between tube AMPs and Solid State amps? THE guys at GC center stated that Tube amps BLOWS any Solid State (ones I was looking at anyways) amps out of the water, any of you can confirm this!?!?


Well, and just to be clear, the Frontman 25R is not a tube amp either.

As for the tube snobs at GC, I think they might want to watch this video: http://youtu.be/YUxBL7mub0A

The thing is, if you can get a solid state modeling amp even *close*, which this blind test video shows you can, then even if you thought the tube sounded slightly better you have to ask if it's worth the extra cost, weight, maintenance, lack of flexibility, and lack of quiet play options just for that slight difference. For bedroom players, it seems like an obvious choice.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:01 pm
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Wow amazing quality with the Mustang III. Think Im gonna save some money and stick with Solid State AMPS!!! THANK YOU!!! :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 1:09 pm
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tyt921 wrote:
Wow amazing quality with the Mustang III. Think Im gonna save some money and stick with Solid State AMPS!!! THANK YOU!!! :mrgreen:

I highly recommend downloading that Tremolux preset as well once you get comfy with the amp and check out fuse. I have about four presets on my amp based off that. I added a little chorus and Fuzz to it and its probably my favorite preset. Sounds really good with the Greenbox stomp too.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Wed Mar 19, 2014 3:46 pm
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Hi tyt921,

It sounds like you have gotten a lot of good, thoughtful advice here. I would add that as you are getting comfortable with the amp, you can keep things as simple as navigating to any Preset and turning down the GAIN, and turning both the MOD and DLY/REV knobs to the "off" position. This should get you to the "cleanest", effect-free point in any given Preset. Then, as was mentioned earlier in this discussion, you can get into the Fender® FUSE™ software (if you have not already) and dig into some more detailed editing.

Please let us know if we can assist from our end as well as you dig into your amp further.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Fri Mar 21, 2014 12:34 pm
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captainc wrote:
You've certainly come to the right place whatever you decide. The folks here are very knowledgeable and always quick to help out with advice, tips and help with issues regarding the Mustang Amps.

enjoy.


True! Very helpful.

Tyt congrats. You will get a handle on the mustang amp. I am working on it too. It's a lots of fun. I have found the modeling enhances my learning the guitar. I too am a beginner.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Sat Mar 22, 2014 7:02 am
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Tyt, you should pass on the Gdec. It REALLY doesnt get clean.
The Vox channel on the Mustang I is sublime, and no more complicated than the real thing, since it is virtual. In fact it's less complicated, since it doesnt involve driving to the music store or guitar tech every time you wish to make a change. Plus all the peripherals in the software are internal and organic to the Mustang. They work. Its not like dropping a new liver or kidney into a patient and hoping it 'takes'. This happens with real gear. it is the reason for GC's easy return policy, I guess.

I didnt know I was a Vox guy until I got the Mustang I. Cheers to Fender for creating such a loving and attractive representation of a competitor's product. That's confidence, baby.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 1:37 pm
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HeyJoe42 wrote:
dunedindragon wrote:
I tend to agree with Archtop Bill on this. I completely appreciate how overwhelming the Mustang might appear to you as an obvious beginner with all of the options, and Fender's documentation of the amp doesn't make it any easier. But maybe a simplified approach to get you started might help.

You mentioned the Vox amp you looked at. Do you realize you already have that amp? It's the one on the selection knob called "BRITISH 60s". You have three different variations on the setting pre-made for you, but you can change them and save them to be more to your liking. It may be best for you to simply stick with ONE model and tweak that to what you need.

Since you were wanting a clean sound, turn the selection dial until you have a green LED light next to the British 60's. Leave it there and play through it. If it's not as clean as you would like, first turn the knobs marked Mod and Dly/Rvb completely off (full to the left). That will remove all effects. If the sound is still not as clean as you'd like, turn the Gain knob counter-clockwise until you get a nice clean sound. You can also change the Volume, Treble, and Bass knobs to get the clean sound you want. Once you've gone through those steps and the amp sounds the way you want, press the "Save" button two times.

You now have that same Vox amp you were looking at in the store set to clean. The next time you turn on your amp, simply turn the selection knob until the LED next to "British 60s" is illuminated green, and you have the same Vox clean amp setting.

If you would like a little more distortion or effects, I'd suggest staying with the Vox amp for the time being and turn the selection knob until the LED light is RED next to the British 60's setting. Go through the same process described above, but this time adding more Gain which will add more distortion or crunch to the sound, and/or play with different settings for the Mod and Dly/Rvb dials. Press the Save button twice to save it and now you have that Vox amp on a clean setting (Green LED) and a distorted with effects setting (Red LED).

In your case I'd stick with just the one British 60's model. You can change any settings as much as you'd like while you're playing, but they won't be saved permanently unless you hit the save button twice. Bear in mind that the yellow/amber LED version of the British 60's (Vox) amp can be modified as well, but just not saved. Once you're comfortable with the process you can expand it and try out some of the other amps there like the Fender amps such as the 65 Twin Reverb, the 59 Bassman, or the 57 Deluxe Reverb.

The amp has an enormous amount of potential which is good because it will accommodate you for a long time as your skills grow. But for now, just start simple and stay with the basics and save yourself $300.



Dude. Great coaching. IF only Fender wrote something like this many folk would not be running scared.


I know, right? They should have read the owners manual from a Vox VT series, then gotten that same guy to write theirs! Very well done, and even a rank noob like myself "got it" almost immediately. I was quite happy with mine until I tried a Mustang...

Threads like this tend to validate my decision to go with the MIII- even though Im an apartment dwelling bedroom novice. The power rating is beside the point- it has a functional volume knob. The full "real amp" control panel, plus the LCD panel and all the modelling controls off to the side are deceptively easy to learn and master. Best of all, unless you want to trade presets, or whatnot, you don't need to hook up to a computer to get all the functionality you need. ALL amp models, ALL fx, ALL parameters, can be adjusted on the amp, and there are 100 slots for presets, and ALL can be changed/saved. The LCD tells you at a glance which preset you are on, what amp model it uses, which effects are with it, and whether they're on or off.

Once I found a sound I liked, it got saved as the default preset. (00) A clean sound got saved as preset 01. Now it's a plug n play amp with 2 "channels"- crunchy and clean. Bassman just starting to crunch up, and '65 Twin reverb with a bit of compression. Most times I "forget" there are even 98 other presets and 10 other amp models there!

Also, don't forget that you CAN use real pedals with it. Esp for I and II users, it's a quick and easy way to get a more drivey sound w/o the need for a computer. I personally use a combo of an MXR '78 distortion, and an OCD in front of mine. They layer on well with the modelled sounds, as well as giving me two extra flavors of dirt to play with.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:10 pm
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dunedindragon wrote:
I tend to agree with Archtop Bill on this. I completely appreciate how overwhelming the Mustang might appear to you as an obvious beginner with all of the options, and Fender's documentation of the amp doesn't make it any easier. But maybe a simplified approach to get you started might help.

You mentioned the Vox amp you looked at. Do you realize you already have that amp? It's the one on the selection knob called "BRITISH 60s". You have three different variations on the setting pre-made for you, but you can change them and save them to be more to your liking. It may be best for you to simply stick with ONE model and tweak that to what you need.

Since you were wanting a clean sound, turn the selection dial until you have a green LED light next to the British 60's. Leave it there and play through it. If it's not as clean as you would like, first turn the knobs marked Mod and Dly/Rvb completely off (full to the left). That will remove all effects. If the sound is still not as clean as you'd like, turn the Gain knob counter-clockwise until you get a nice clean sound. You can also change the Volume, Treble, and Bass knobs to get the clean sound you want. Once you've gone through those steps and the amp sounds the way you want, press the "Save" button two times.

You now have that same Vox amp you were looking at in the store set to clean. The next time you turn on your amp, simply turn the selection knob until the LED next to "British 60s" is illuminated green, and you have the same Vox clean amp setting.

If you would like a little more distortion or effects, I'd suggest staying with the Vox amp for the time being and turn the selection knob until the LED light is RED next to the British 60's setting. Go through the same process described above, but this time adding more Gain which will add more distortion or crunch to the sound, and/or play with different settings for the Mod and Dly/Rvb dials. Press the Save button twice to save it and now you have that Vox amp on a clean setting (Green LED) and a distorted with effects setting (Red LED).

In your case I'd stick with just the one British 60's model. You can change any settings as much as you'd like while you're playing, but they won't be saved permanently unless you hit the save button twice. Bear in mind that the yellow/amber LED version of the British 60's (Vox) amp can be modified as well, but just not saved. Once you're comfortable with the process you can expand it and try out some of the other amps there like the Fender amps such as the 65 Twin Reverb, the 59 Bassman, or the 57 Deluxe Reverb.

The amp has an enormous amount of potential which is good because it will accommodate you for a long time as your skills grow. But for now, just start simple and stay with the basics and save yourself $300.



Dude. Great coaching. IF only Fender wrote something like this many folk would not be running scared.


I know, right? They should have read the owners manual from a Vox VT series, then gotten that same guy to write theirs! Very well done, and even a rank noob like myself "got it" almost immediately. I was quite happy with mine until I tried a Mustang...

Threads like this tend to validate my decision to go with the MIII- even though Im an apartment dwelling bedroom novice. The power rating is beside the point- it has a functional volume knob. The full "real amp" control panel, plus the LCD panel and all the modelling controls off to the side are deceptively easy to learn and master. Best of all, unless you want to trade presets, or whatnot, you don't need to hook up to a computer to get all the functionality you need. ALL amp models, ALL fx, ALL parameters, can be adjusted on the amp, and there are 100 slots for presets, and ALL can be changed/saved. The LCD tells you at a glance which preset you are on, what amp model it uses, which effects are with it, and whether they're on or off.

Once I found a sound I liked, it got saved as the default preset. (00) A clean sound got saved as preset 01. Now it's a plug n play amp with 2 "channels"- crunchy and clean. Bassman just starting to crunch up, and '65 Twin reverb with a bit of compression. Most times I "forget" there are even 98 other presets and 10 other amp models there!

Also, don't forget that you CAN use real pedals with it. Esp for I and II users, it's a quick and easy way to get a more drivey sound w/o the need for a computer. I personally use a combo of an MXR '78 distortion, and an OCD in front of mine. They layer on well with the modelled sounds, as well as giving me two extra flavors of dirt to play with.



Guys, I was looking into the Blackstar HT-5 like someone recommended here because I saw alot of youtubers using it as well. Not sure if i wanna demo it at guitarcenter due to the high cost, but I think I am pretty solid with sticking to Mustang I V2.0

I been playing with it alot, and I been getting some good clean sound. I am still very new to the knobs and what they do though. But I been following some guys advice on youtube and turning the all the knobs on my guitar to highest, and highest setting knob on the GAIN for the amp and volume as well. The master is kept at where I would feel comfortable with. But the tremble, bass, and Mid changes barely make an difference at all. Either way, for now I think is a great investment. I got it with 10% off so it was roughly 110 or so. I have been thinking about the Mustang II though. But just not sure if I need it at all since its basically the same AMP.

You guys kick alot of butt, thank you for helping me out. On a side note. This is like literally almost like my first guitar. I mainly play blues and Jazz. Did I make a right choice for the Single Coils? Should I have gotten a Humbucker? Maybe I should have gotten a different guitar all together. What I dislike most is what people like about it the most. I hate hate hate hate the sound it makes near the bridge. I just dont like that country snappy sound. Should I exchange it for a humbucker. My friend did say it wouldnt matter, because I could change the sound on the AMP if I didnt like that snappy sound. Let me know bros!


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Post subject: Re: Mustang I V2 Yeeeeeellllps
Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:14 am
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tyt921 wrote:
Guys, I was looking into the Blackstar HT-5 like someone recommended here because I saw alot of youtubers using it as well. Not sure if i wanna demo it at guitarcenter due to the high cost, but I think I am pretty solid with sticking to Mustang I V2.0

I been playing with it alot, and I been getting some good clean sound. I am still very new to the knobs and what they do though. But I been following some guys advice on youtube and turning the all the knobs on my guitar to highest, and highest setting knob on the GAIN for the amp and volume as well. The master is kept at where I would feel comfortable with. But the tremble, bass, and Mid changes barely make an difference at all. Either way, for now I think is a great investment. I got it with 10% off so it was roughly 110 or so. I have been thinking about the Mustang II though. But just not sure if I need it at all since its basically the same AMP.

You guys kick alot of butt, thank you for helping me out. On a side note. This is like literally almost like my first guitar. I mainly play blues and Jazz. Did I make a right choice for the Single Coils? Should I have gotten a Humbucker? Maybe I should have gotten a different guitar all together. What I dislike most is what people like about it the most. I hate hate hate hate the sound it makes near the bridge. I just dont like that country snappy sound. Should I exchange it for a humbucker. My friend did say it wouldnt matter, because I could change the sound on the AMP if I didnt like that snappy sound. Let me know bros!


With this being your first guitar I don't know that it would make that much of a difference going to humbuckers. There are plenty of folks out there playing blues and jazz with single coil strats or tele's. Like many guitarists I have both single coil (Stratocaster) as well as humbuckers (Les Paul, Gibson 335 which is what BB King plays). But that's because they DO produce different slightly different sounds and, depending on the song, I may choose to use one over the other.

But at this point in time you really just need to focus on mastering an electric guitar and a modeling amp. You have PLENTY to play with and learn on. Eventually you may decide to get a 2nd guitar which a humbucker would be a good choice to round things out. I would suggest to stop second guessing yourself and focus on playing and learning. If you're truly commited to it eventually you'll figure out if you need to make any changes or additions to your equipment. Otherwise you'll likely end up making decisions you might later regret once you have more experience with your guitar and amp.

As far as the tone and volume knobs on your guitar, everyone is different. I rarely if ever touch my volume or tone knobs on the guitar. I have them all maxed out and I depend on the pickup selector switch to make a difference in my tone. Some people depend on their volume knobs more than I do, but that's because I use a volume pedal.

Take it from those of us that have been doing this for a while. This is NOT your last guitar and amp. I predict MANY, MANY more in your future... :lol:

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Posted: Mon Mar 24, 2014 6:40 am
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BTW just a side note. I was really really stressed and torn between a MIM and MIA Strat. I have like OCD and just want the best out there. After checking out the prices both on GC and ebay. I went with the brand new MIM versus a MIA 2007? forgot year, maybe 2011 or 2012 Mystic Blue MIA Strat which was 850 if I was lucky or Buy it now for 1000 Shipped. The MIM i bought was brand new as well and it was only 450 with the discount I got. 10% off. I got the ampp for 10% off as well. All for out the door 600. So I think its not bad for a beginners set up. Also When i had brought it home I kept smiling and thinking I got the best bang for my bucks. I am super happy and glad I didnt get too paranoid over the MIA strat. I think this will definitely do for now.

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Tyt921:

With the MIM Strat and Mustang amp you have a great set up to learn almost any genre of music. The Strat is a very flexible guitar and is used in almost all genre of music. The MIM Fenders are high quality over all. I am sure folks in the custom shop forum or guitar forums could tell you the different between MIA MIM MIJ MIC made on Mars etc. IMHO it's a great startup package. By going with the MIM v the MIA you have saved enough to start a fund for your next guitar. The longer you save the more time you have to study what you like. With what you have you can study pure music theory when that gets dull learn about classic amp tones, when that gets confusing play with crazy effect sounds the. See/hear what each of the 5 pickup option does.

I completely empathize with your sentiment you have expressed in your posts. As a beginner you have to make decisions that I think are more advanced in nature. picking out a guitar & amp is not easy. Single coil double coil made in this country or that... Maker x, y or z. How many watts, tube vs solid state. What peddles. :oops:

My observation/experience is also there is such a lack of sales talent at most stores as well. They really lack the consultative sales approach & just shove whatever they can for as much as they can into your hands...

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i8chillywilly wrote:

With the MIM Strat and Mustang amp you have a great set up to learn almost any genre of music. The Strat is a very flexible guitar and is used in almost all genre of music. The MIM Fenders are high quality over all. I am sure folks in the custom shop forum or guitar forums could tell you the different between MIA MIM MIJ MIC made on Mars etc. IMHO it's a great startup package. By going with the MIM v the MIA you have saved enough to start a fund for your next guitar. The longer you save the more time you have to study what you like. With what you have you can study pure music theory when that gets dull learn about classic amp tones, when that gets confusing play with crazy effect sounds the. See/hear what each of the 5 pickup option does.

I completely empathize with your sentiment you have expressed in your posts. As a beginner you have to make decisions that I think are more advanced in nature. picking out a guitar & amp is not easy. Single coil double coil made in this country or that... Maker x, y or z. How many watts, tube vs solid state. What peddles. :oops:

My observation/experience is also there is such a lack of sales talent at most stores as well. They really lack the consultative sales approach & just shove whatever they can for as much as they can into your hands...

Be confident with what you have. It's good stuff.


Good point Willy. Thanks to that, I feel much more reassurance from my purchase. You were right about the lack of sales talent. When I had said "I will take it" at GC, they just went around the store picking up bags, strings, straps, and things 'Ill need'. True, Ill need all of those, however, I didnt wanna say it out loud because I was going to go to ebay and pick em out there. Anyway I just went with the Amp and guitar but they still looked disappointed. Actually, I went online to GuitarCenter.com and saw that my purchase of the guitar actually qualified for a free Urban Gig Bag from Fender. They didnt even tell me this! I just sent in my voucher and I got myself a free bag worth 59 bucks! I cant even play one song yet, and my fingers hurt like a B...but the process is really really fun. Again, thank you all! I am at work right now, and I cant wait till I get home and play some pentatonic scales/chords <3


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A good sales person can make all the difference! I've been lucky- mostly good experiences all around. The one guy is very good at this:

Get the person talking about what they like to listen to, what they like to play, etc. Point them towards a guitar ( or amp) you think they'd like, set em up, and stand back. A good piece of gear will sell itself if it's the right one for that customer.

In this case, I went in looking for something with single coils. I already had an HH Ibanez. We looked at some Strats, tried a few, then he handed me this USA Strat that was on clearance ( 2011 model, and the 2013's had just hit the store). Bingo! This one I really liked! Then he hooked me up to a Super Champ X2, and let me play. Wow, what a sound! When I mentioned looking for an OD pedal, they brought me a few to try. The OCD, this amp and this guitar proved to be a winning combo. I ended up leaving with all three! Best of all, I had a 30% off coupon they'd e-mailed me, so I got it all for less than the list on a new MIA Strat!!

I mentioned this to another sales lady on another occasion, and she just laughed, and said " Yeah, Evan is good at that!"

The guys at the House of Guitars are good at that sort of thing, too. Massive selection of both guitars and amps- many of which are really good. They've sold me two Gibsons so far, and if I'd had the money, the Blues Deluxe I like to try guitars out on would be mine, too. ( the Supersonic 60 that really blew me away would likely get me evicted- so it has to stay there...) I like the bluesy sounds too, and love southern rock. IMO a gibson( ish) guitar through a Fender amp is a winning combo! Esp a Tweedy Fender amp.

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If you hate the bridge sound so much, you shouldn't have all the controls on max - turn treble down on guitar and amp - that's what tone controls are for !
IMO it's dumb to have them all on 11 all the time.
Try turning the gain down too - otherwise you may as well go the paint shop and say you want everything, your whole house, in green.

I mean I prefer darker neck tone myself but every now and then with the right playing style and sound, bridge is just what you want.


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