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Post subject: That cable that goes between Mustang and computer...
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 6:38 pm
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I finally connected my Mustang 1 up to my laptop after about 1.5 years of ownership. I've been so happy with the 'British 60's' setting in the amber bank,
I just stayed there, figuring out Popa Chubby and Matt Schofield tunes. The break up is perfect at this preset. Just right on any interval, but it doesnt make chords too diffuse. I must be a Vox guy.
I was very drawn in by the FUSE software. The only pedal I own is a noise gate, and I lost a couple of hours playing with delay. It's flat out spiritual.

I was suprised at the short length of the cable, though. I had to move my laptop across the room to the guitar station I have set up.

Is there a longer cable available? Maybe 3rd party? I guess I could take the cable to Fry's. Anyone overcome this issue?


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Post subject: Re: That cable that goes between Mustang and computer...
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 7:53 pm
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A longer cable could possibly effect certain things depending upon what you're doing in the moment.

If you're looking at adjusting parameters in real time, such as performing, then you could experience lag.

I'm just hypothesizing here basing what I'm saying upon other items using longer USB cables, etc that were effected by length.

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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 8:37 pm
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WulfGangii wrote:
A longer cable could possibly effect certain things depending upon what you're doing in the moment.

If you're looking at adjusting parameters in real time, such as performing, then you could experience lag.

I'm just hypothesizing here basing what I'm saying upon other items using longer USB cables, etc that were effected by length.


You very well may right about problems with preset changes. I doubt there will be lag, but things may get erradic as the longer the cable the more likely noise will be created. While there MAY be no issues on stage, the shorter the cable the better for recording.

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Post subject: Re: That cable that goes between Mustang and computer...
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:12 pm
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Yeah, maybe there will be some problems, but for $10, it's worth a shot. The supplied cable is really thin. The one in mak1965's link seems heavier, if that makes a difference. Actually, I was surprised it was only 10 bucks. I finally put an HDMI cable between my DVD player and my TV. What a rip-off.

Thanks, mak1965. 1965, it was a very good year.


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Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 9:38 pm
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Taurus wrote:
Yeah, maybe there will be some problems, but for $10, it's worth a shot. The supplied cable is really thin. The one in mak1965's link seems heavier, if that makes a difference. Actually, I was surprised it was only 10 bucks. I finally put an HDMI cable between my DVD player and my TV. What a rip-off.

Thanks, mak1965. 1965, it was a very good year.


The one that came with mine is pretty good. Yes it is only a couple feet long but it is medium duty and has a choke. It is better grade than what came with my Droid tablet.

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Post subject: Re: That cable that goes between Mustang and computer...
Posted: Sun Feb 16, 2014 10:35 pm
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WulfGangii wrote:
If you're looking at adjusting parameters in real time, such as performing, then you could experience lag.


The cable listed above is equal to the maximum length in the USB 2.0 spec. 5 metres. Longer than that and there could be communication problems due to the round-trip signal time.


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Post subject: Re: That cable that goes between Mustang and computer...
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:21 am
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I use a 9 feet usb cable made of a standard cable plus ultra-cheap extension, and on top of that the whole thing is coiled around power cables... :) works perfectly fine.

One of the advantages of living in a digital world folks!


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Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 9:40 pm
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Thats sayin a LOT using an extension!

haha

I just wanted to throw that out there to the OP in case he was having side effects after the switch and he could look more along the lines of USB vs AMP problems.

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Post subject: Re: That cable that goes between Mustang and computer...
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:22 am
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/facepalm

Electrical signals propagate along a wire at pretty much the speed of light. I promise you, going from a 3' USB 2.0 cable to a 6' USB 2.0 cable will not introduce lag. Just go to the nearest Best Buy or whatever and buy a longer USB 2.0 cable. Make sure it's A to Mini-a.

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Post subject: Re: That cable that goes between Mustang and computer...
Posted: Tue Feb 18, 2014 9:41 am
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I promise you, going from a 3' USB 2.0 cable to a 6' USB 2.0 cable will not introduce lag.

Agreed. In fact you'd be fine with a 15' cable if that's the kind of length you need.

USB 2.0 provides for a maximum cable length of 5 meters for devices running at Hi Speed (480 Mbit/s).

The primary reason for this limit is the maximum allowed round-trip delay of about 1.5 μs. If USB host commands are unanswered by the USB device within the allowed time, the host considers the command lost. When adding USB device response time, delays from the maximum number of hubs added to the delays from connecting cables, the maximum acceptable delay per cable amounts to 26 ns.

The USB 2.0 specification requires that cable delay be less than 5.2 ns per meter (192 000 km/s, which is close to the maximum achievable transmission speed for standard copper wire).


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Post subject: Re: That cable that goes between Mustang and computer...
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:11 am
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FFXIhealer wrote:
/facepalm

Electrical signals propagate along a wire at pretty much the speed of light. I promise you, going from a 3' USB 2.0 cable to a 6' USB 2.0 cable will not introduce lag. Just go to the nearest Best Buy or whatever and buy a longer USB 2.0 cable. Make sure it's A to Mini-a.


Yes, cable length does effect signal/lag.
As does using an "extension".

This is why USB camera's use a short(ish) USB cable to communicate with the PC vs' a long(ish) one.

Regarding extensions, I tried it once on a USB Camera. MAJOR lag.

This is where I was coming from when addressing the OP.
I'm in no way knowledgeable in electric signal type stuff.

Isn't there a reason anything over 20' in a guitar cable is related to signal/tone loss?
I'd imagine a digital signal that has to be sent and then processed digitally by a PC would be more sensitive to length of travel.

The wiki stuff strings quoted actually states that when you increase length you do introduce lag per length till you reach that point where it takes too long for the signal to return to the host.

Again, I'm not all knowed up on the hows & whys lol.
And, I digress :)

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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:21 am
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WulfGangii wrote:
The wiki stuff strings quoted actually states that when you increase length you do introduce lag per length till you reach that point where it takes too long for the signal to return to the host.

We're talking nanoseconds here, it's really only to explain the 15' limitation. Digital camera manufacturers send a short cable because it's just not practical to place your camera 15' away from the computer to connect it. And generally shorter cables are cheaper.

If you experienced 'lag' due to using an extension, it sounds like it was a damaged or just low quality extension. There should be no difference between using a 10' cable with a 5' extension and using a 15' cable.

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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:39 am
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It may well have been a cheap extension.

On a side note I've always found USB Cam cables to be too short for my liking.
Moot point though since we now have HD Sony's & iPads haha.


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Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:36 pm
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Analog signals don't operate on a time-based relay system like digital systems do. But then again, you're not sending audio signals through a USB cable. That's all digital information. We're talking +5.0vDC and ~0v DC as your high and low signals respectively. We treat these signals as (1 - ON) and (0 - OFF) in the IT world. Each changes must happen on a clock cycle multiplier. Back in 1998, that meant on the order of 100Mhz. Now, who knows?

It is true that any length of wire will have a capacitance, resistance, and possible inductance. But that's why USB cables are shielded, preventing inductance. Their length is limited (limiting resistance AND capacitance). And even in the case, digital signals only have to make it to the receiving end at over 3.8V to be considered hot (1), so capacitance and resistance get factored out anyway.

With an analog signal, there's really no way to correct errors, so ANY interference you pick up, or signal loss due to resistance and capacitance along the wire have to be accepted and dealt with. They don't get screened out like a digital signal does.

Now, also keep in mind that USB isn't just USB. There's USB 1.0, USB 1.1, USB 1.2, USB 2.0, and most recently USB 3.0. USB 1.1 cables WILL NOT OPERATE AT USB 2.0 SPEEDS. They weren't made for it and your system CAN AND DOES detect that. That's why I couldn't use a USB1.0 cable I have lying around to hook up my Mustang to my computer. AND it's why I can't use the same cable to hook up my PS3 controller to a USB port to charge it. I have to use my USB 2.0 cable to do both tasks. Luckily for me, my USB 2.0 cable is about 5' long and will reach everything I need. I got a 6' USB A-to-B cable to hook up my 6-channel Peavey Mixing board for recording into Reaper. It works so fast I can hear no lag playing audio back through my sound card. That is speed.

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