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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 7:41 pm
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Well...

I don't understand the talk about the MF (Mustang Floor) not being able to get "dirty".
I have dialed up every tone I have heard or care to hear from it.

In fact, I was playing some G'n'R tonight and I seriously couldn't tell the difference between my tone & theirs. Just one example.
I don't get much heavier than that... but I have chunked some chords with the Pantera setting and thought... this is pretty heavy.

Before that I was using my cheap strat copy and playing some Harlen County line by Dave Alvin and the tones I could match pretty good.

The cleans need no defense/argument.

The ONLY time I have questioned purchasing the MF (a year ago, almost exactly) was when I couldn't make up my mind whether I wanted to play through powered speakers or amps.

I bought (2) Harbinger powered 12" speakers and have been nothing but smiles & really looking to spend some quality time with it/them.

I cannot help but recommend the floor over the Mustang Amps.
Caveat, I have not played through them.
The versatility of the MF, able to get EVERY sound I need from it is a winner.
Oh, and the price is very reasonable. Especially compared to other Mult Eff pedals.

If you have to adjust your tones/sounds at every gig, it's not that big of a deal.
You would most likely need to do a sound check anyways.
What I will be doing is running a laptop USB to the MF and using the laptop as like a "virtual amp" where I can adjust all the settings on the fly for the amp models, etc.
You don't NEED a laptop to do this, for the most part, but it is easier and simpler.

Before I bought the powered Harbingers, I was playing through a Alesis Multimix 8 running into a Sony stereo amplifier going into a set of HiFi Yamaha towers.
It sounded.... well, ok. Better than head phones, but not as good as the Harbingers.
So, if you have a stereo, you can practice at home on it till you get your setup.

I decided to go the powered speaker route.
There are other routes to go. Like, using a Tech 21 power engine with guitar cabs.
Me? I wanted "stereo" so it was more cost effective for powered speakers.
Also, you could, technically, buy x2 of the same amps and run 1/4" into both.

You didn't really say (unless I missed it) what kind of music you were playing.
I'm guessing, something kinda mellow because you did mention coffee shop.
I played my Ovation acoustic/electric through the Gomez setting on the MF into the Harbinger (using XLR, btw) and again, sounds great.

If you play acoustic, will you be able to get a good tone from a guitar amp for your acoustic? I have found it difficult to do so, mostly. Especially having to tweak settings on the amp from Electric to Acoustic.

As far as ext pedals go, I don't use any. I (personally) can get any sound/effect I need out of the MF so it makes most every ext pedal obsolete, for me.
Although... IIRC, I was trying to get two effects one once and the MF wouldn't let me run x2 of the effect because they were from the same bank, or something to that effect.

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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 10:24 am
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WulfGangii,

When I play acoustic I just plug straight into the PA (my guitar has an onboard preamp).

For electric, I want a thick overdriven sound, but still fairly clean for most of what I play. I am heavily influenced by John Mayer, especially his bluesy sounding tones (think Where the Light Is). I also go for a 50s rock sound frequently, thought I can do that with just my amp and its not hard to do, I have '54 pickups in my strat as well. I also cover some heavier stuff a bit, and I'll need an AC/DC tone for that. For my own songs I'm sure I could fiddle around and figure stuff out, but John Mayer is definitely my biggest influence. He plays with hundreds of thousands worth of gear, but I know his main tone involves dumble amp heads and a keeley tubescreamer, with a clean boost for soloing. So thatd kind of what I'm looking for, an overdriven blues sound but not too broken up.

How have your experience been with the floor into an amp? I'm not going to be able to get pa speakers to practice with so I'll mostly be playing through my amp or headphones, but the amp modeling is for me the main reason to get a floor in the first place so I dont want to be playing with the modeling turned off all the time - I would just pick up a couple more pedals if I was going to do that.


My main concern with the floor right now is the inability to use a looper. I had planned to pick up a tc electronic ditto looper to use live, and that is probably the only thing keeping me from ordering a floor right now. I would love to have one but as I said I'm on a strict budget and I dont have much money to just experiment.


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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2014 11:10 am
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I'm pretty certain you can get the tone you are talking about with the floor. fender blues tones are it's specialty :)

Regarding the use of a looper you CAN use one, if your PA accepts unbalanced inputs, simply connect it this way:

guitar - floor instrument input - floor unbalanced output - looper - PA

if your PA doe not take unbalanced inputs (that would be surprising) simply get a cheap DI to put between the looper and the PA


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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 5:58 am
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Well, after much debate, discussion, too many hours listening to demos of various products and some convincing of the wife, I went ahead and ordered a mustang floor last night. Woohoo!

My ultimate goal is to build a board and mount it with my pedals under the stang. I'll post pictures eventually, although it'll be a few months I'm sure.

One last question I have: What are the best amp settings to let the amp models on the floor sound the best through my combo amp? Should I leave everything at 5, 1, or another setting? I don't want to have to turn the modeling off since I'll be using the amp for practice. Fortunately I am friends with the youth pastor at my church, so I should be able to get in sometimes on the weekend and plug into their PA system :)

Thanks everyone for all the input and help in my decision making!


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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 6:51 am
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I go into the fx return of my amp.

If yours don't have one...
just set up a very flat or sterile sound on the amp then plug the floor into it.


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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Mon Feb 17, 2014 7:20 am
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WulfGangii wrote:
I was playing some G'n'R tonight and I seriously couldn't tell the difference between my tone & theirs.

I had the same experience, I dialed in a preset for a show I was doing and as soon as I turned it up at rehearsal, I said "holy crap, it's Slash Tone!". :lol:

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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:27 am
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Andy2theT wrote:
Well, after much debate, discussion, too many hours listening to demos of various products and some convincing of the wife, I went ahead and ordered a mustang floor last night. Woohoo!

My ultimate goal is to build a board and mount it with my pedals under the stang. I'll post pictures eventually, although it'll be a few months I'm sure.

One last question I have: What are the best amp settings to let the amp models on the floor sound the best through my combo amp? Should I leave everything at 5, 1, or another setting? I don't want to have to turn the modeling off since I'll be using the amp for practice. Fortunately I am friends with the youth pastor at my church, so I should be able to get in sometimes on the weekend and plug into their PA system :)

Thanks everyone for all the input and help in my decision making!


Awesome!

Looking forward to seeing what you can make it do!

I've yet to play my MF through an amp so I can't help ya out with that.

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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 9:46 am
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You can certainly get "dirty" with the Floor and Mustang V.1 amps. But V.2 has the Tubescreamer clone, the BOSS distortion clone and the ProCo Rat clone as well as a few more hi-gain amp models.

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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 11:56 am
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Would it be possible for Fender to release a patch to update the MF to include the new effects?

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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 12:07 pm
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As long as they have the same chip, or at least same processing power and Memory space... yes, they could add those by way of a firmware update.

I'm actually starting to like the generic OD stomp in the floor. It sounds great driving the twin reverb model.

But of course it's always great to have options! 8)

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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Wed Feb 19, 2014 4:50 pm
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mojo_plasma wrote:
As long as they have the same chip, or at least same processing power and Memory space... yes, they could add those by way of a firmware update.

I'm actually starting to like the generic OD stomp in the floor. It sounds great driving the twin reverb model.

But of course it's always great to have options! 8)

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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 5:36 am
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HIO wrote:
mojo_plasma wrote:
As long as they have the same chip, or at least same processing power and Memory space... yes, they could add those by way of a firmware update.

I'm actually starting to like the generic OD stomp in the floor. It sounds great driving the twin reverb model.

But of course it's always great to have options! 8)

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I would respond with my normal charm and wit, but don't want to mess up my 100th post count!
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I wish Fender would work on the delays... I think those are kinda weak.
Do most people on here like the mustang delays?
Hope this isn't a derail, more of a side street.


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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 9:32 am
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According to FedEx's tracker floor will be here today! I am so looking forward to spending tonight trying it out :D


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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:30 am
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Sweet!!! what is your plan for live playing as far as monitoring goes?


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Post subject: Re: III vs. Floor
Posted: Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:40 am
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Well, I havent played too many places before, but every place I've played at so far has had onstage monitors with the PA system OR has been so small that it wasnt much of an issue (I was sitting sort of in between the FoH speakers). I'm not really sure what I'll end up doing if I play a place that doesnt have monitors on stage already.


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