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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:45 pm
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Saw a study on median income of Harley riders.
Exact opposite of the "types" that used to be associated with Harley in the early days.

The same types that sneer at you when you pull up next to them in their Top of the line Porsche SUV, Merc's, Lexus, etc.

I believe it to still be like it used to be amongst SOME Harley riders (1%'s I'd wager) that would sneer based on bike choice alone (ie, NOT "American").
And the aforementioned group is a class sneer.
As for the "American" aspect, how much of anything is made "American" anymore? haha

I'm one of those types that don't really care what it looks like to the doofus standing next to me if they're judgmental. In fact, I find myself doing stuff to get in the shorts of people like that lol. Could be the redneck side coming out of me... But most likely, the old cantankerous man I'm becoming :mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 2:28 pm
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as a sound is worth a thousand words (or was it an image?) I suggest whoever is thinking about spending 2k$ in a tube amp vs 300$ on a mustang does this blind tests... and btw read the comments below the video (there are many similar around)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUxBL7mub0A

even if you are part of the small minority who guesses right which one of the two is the real tube amp, ask yourself if the price difference is worth the sound difference. I mean even the player was fooled and hearing the recordings couldn't recognize the tube amp.

here are the results for both blind tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr9g7vIKR7s

if after this you still care about the difference (and actually think the tube amp sounds better...!) no amount of technological miracle will change your mind, now or in the future, so do yourself a favor and pay Fender the 2k$, they will be very happy to get your money!


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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 3:09 pm
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WulfGangii wrote:
I believe it to still be like it used to be amongst SOME Harley riders (1%'s I'd wager) that would sneer based on bike choice alone (ie, NOT "American").
And the aforementioned group is a class sneer.
As for the "American" aspect, how much of anything is made "American" anymore? haha


I suspect a lot of that has even changed since Sonny Barger (President of the Hell's Angels) started riding a Victory. By the way, I traded my Harley for a Victory a couple of years ago. Not because the Victory is an "American" bike, but because it was using modern, reliable, and proven technology....somewhat like my Mustang amp. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:50 pm
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Why do Harley motorcycles have so few miles on their speedometer?

Because the Harley riders only drive from one bar to another. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 5:24 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
as a sound is worth a thousand words (or was it an image?) I suggest whoever is thinking about spending 2k$ in a tube amp vs 300$ on a mustang does this blind tests... and btw read the comments below the video (there are many similar around)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUxBL7mub0A

even if you are part of the small minority who guesses right which one of the two is the real tube amp, ask yourself if the price difference is worth the sound difference. I mean even the player was fooled and hearing the recordings couldn't recognize the tube amp.

here are the results for both blind tests
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mr9g7vIKR7s

if after this you still care about the difference (and actually think the tube amp sounds better...!) no amount of technological miracle will change your mind, now or in the future, so do yourself a favor and pay Fender the 2k$, they will be very happy to get your money!


HA!

Funny stuff.
1st Test I said "A" was the Tube Amp lol
2:B, 3:A, 4:B, 5:A

Guess I can't tell the difference :)

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 7:30 pm
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Truth of the matter is, 98% of your audience in your gig will not be able to tell what the difference between a tube and an SS.

I agree that this is all ego.


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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Fri Feb 21, 2014 8:26 pm
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The Mustang III is a modern marvel of capability and price point. Good for home or stage. The Mustang series is a respectable one and many a musician will find succor in the multiplicity of sounds that will come out. I have a Mustang I v1. I used rarely these days, it is a keeper. My new H and K tubemeister is making wonderful, inspirational sounds but, they are my sounds.

Magic is where we perceive it and we are entitled to be respected for our perceptions.

There is no real debate here. Our tools are our art. Judge the art, not the tools. :shock:

Addressing the original question:Tube amp needed?
Regarding the making of music, I pose another question.

Amplification needed? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 7:47 pm
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Seryna wrote:
Truth of the matter is, 98% of your audience in your gig will not be able to tell what the difference between a tube and an SS.

I agree that this is all ego.


Truth of the matter is, 98% of the audience will be able to tell the difference between someone who loves his gear and someone who dislikes his gear.

Sure it's about ego too, but ego is important - it changes how we play.


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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:23 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Sure it's about ego too, but ego is important - it changes how we play.

Got any samples of how you play?

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:38 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
arth1 wrote:
Sure it's about ego too, but ego is important - it changes how we play.

Got any samples of how you play?


Sure, but none that I care to post here - I don't feel I'm good enough. There are really good players here, and my ego is too fragile.
I know I feel I play better when I use gear I like. Good enough to play for others at times. But not for playing for really good players, no.


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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:47 pm
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arth is correct in regards to good gear=happiness

I know when I'm playing my junk guitar now I can't deal with it.
I have to jump onto the Solo Elite haha.

Like that $1K ESP LTD I played at GC when I bought this Schecter, it was inspiring.
Whereas, junk equipment is discouraging.
It has always been my biggest obstacle to sticking with it.

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:59 pm
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so far every time I play my Mustang III, it's nothing but happiness. 8)

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:17 pm
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strings10927 wrote:
so far every time I play my Mustang III, it's nothing but happiness. 8)

Well, good for you! The Mustang didn't work out for me, and got replaced by an Orange practice amp, but I'm sure there are others who have gone the other way and are happy with that.

If there really was one "the best amp for everyone", we'd all be playing that, and we'd all sound the same, and it'd be pretty boring. There isn't, so we aren't, so we don't, so it isn't. :D


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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 6:42 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
I think, what you call "ring" is what I call "metallic sound" :)
If we are talking about the same thing, I think is totally unrelated to the amp itself and has more to do with the guitar.
Try the following, simply pick any fender strat UNPLUGED and play some chords. Now pickup even the cheapest epiphone guitar and repeat those chords also unpluged, you will immediately hear the "metallic sound" in the bottom (maybe your "ring" sound too).

I THINK it is related to the mahogany(ish) body and the extra sustain of the Les Paul guitar models, and is the reason why my next guitar is going to be an Epi Les Paul :)



I think it has a lot to with the guitar as well.

I'm saying this because I took the Schecter back to GC and got an Epi LP Traditional PRO.
Now, I'm getting some "ring" in my playing :D

Not as much, or as pretty as Slash, but I can hear it now.
I thought the Schecter was a nice guitar, but this Epi has it beat hands down on EVERYTHING.

The neck is not glossed/lacquered (or... whatever it is they do to them) - it's a rough looking but VERY smooth/fast playing neck.

Yeah.. I'm lovin it.

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Post subject: Re: Tube amp needed? I don't think so!
Posted: Wed Feb 26, 2014 8:46 pm
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arth1 wrote:
Seryna wrote:
Truth of the matter is, 98% of your audience in your gig will not be able to tell what the difference between a tube and an SS.

I agree that this is all ego.


Truth of the matter is, 98% of the audience will be able to tell the difference between someone who loves his gear and someone who dislikes his gear.

Sure it's about ego too, but ego is important - it changes how we play.

I don't believe they do. 98% of them aren't even watching the guitar player. They'll hear the guitarist play bum notes though, and that's not the gear's fault.

As to the blind test vid, near enough is going to be good enough for many players, even more so at the price. The success of Mustang, and modellers in general, probably attests to that. Not every player is an obsessive gear head.

The only quibble i've got with the Mustang is I find the possibilities endless and can be fussy to use well, if you're not experienced with amps and pedal settings. They've probably addressed that with the new Champions, and trying to win over some who prefer the vintage look too.


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