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Post subject: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 2:26 pm
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A few days ago I tried the mustang IV at the store, and it was not really what I thought it was. Maybe it was because I couldn't work with it. I tried the twin reverb presets and for a 150W it didn't sound very loud in my opinion. I'm looking for a nice clean tone that is loud. Actually I wanted to try the III V2 but in the store they only had the IV V2. So if the 4 already sounds not very loud what will it be with the III. My brother has a perfomer 1000 ss amp (100W) and I think it would easily blow away a mustang III with its volume. The perfomer is on 2 already very loud and can get already above a drum. With the mustang IV, which is a 150W, it wasn't like that. With the master at 4 it still sounded quite to me. Only when I turned op the gain it was acceptable, but I don't want an overdriven tone. I want a loud clean tone. I wil try for a second time another day, hopefully it will be better than. If not I will look out for a deluxe 112 which is an old ss amp that goes loud. Is it just me or do the older ss amps from fender sound better and louder than the newer? Or is it because I can't work with the mustang?

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 3:10 pm
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If you were using one of the factory presets, it's possible that the volume was turned down too low. I've noticed that some of the presets- the clean ones especially, are a lot quieter than others. Looking close, it's usually the volume being turned down that's the culprit. Rolling up the gain will definitely get you into drive territory faster, but volume not as much. Master just controls output sound level- it has little or no effect on tone.

The '65 twin model has a lot of "headroom", like the real amp. It's one of my two main sounds on my MIII, and it can get ridiculously loud. Two tips to keep in mind with these, though. The taper on the master volume is more gradual than on many classic Fender amps. 4 on the master isn't necessarily going to be in earthquake territory, like on a real Twin Reverb. Secondly, the volume and master controls are interactive- major changes to the volume setting will influence the taper on the master. Ie, the master can be or NOT be twitchy- depending on where the volume is set, and which amp model you're using. I've found the clean presets/models to be far more linear on the master than overdriven or distorted ones.

If it sounds a bit bewildering, that's because it kind of is- there's a learning curve to this amp. It's just the nature of the beast- to be so tweakable, and comprehensive, they had to trade off some simplicity. It doesn't take that long to get used to though. AND there are lots of us here that you can ask for help from.

Once you get the hang of it, it becomes very easy to use! I do not play in a band, however, so I cannot say how it does with other instruments present.


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Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 4:59 pm
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Hope you get that figured out. Right out of the box when I got mine I used it at that night's gig and we are a noisy classic rock bunch. I had crazy volume going with my Strat plugged straight into it with the onboard amp and effects. The clean channel with a touch of chorus was really nice through that stereo amp.

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 5:35 pm
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The MIV V2 should be plenty loud for any club gigs or audtoriums seating up to 1000.

As pointed out above by some excellent posts, the volume, master and gain interact a bit differently as you access models. There also is a learning curve with the 'stangs.

As I point out with frequency you really cannot get a feel for this amp without hooking it up to a computer and using Fuse. There are just too many parameters and some require Fuse to access. I also recommend all presets have the volume equalized to be as consistent as possible with the master control. This is not a substitute for the preshow sound check, but the sound check will go faster.

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 6:52 pm
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pyroman wrote:
If you were using one of the factory presets, it's possible that the volume was turned down too low. I've noticed that some of the presets- the clean ones especially, are a lot quieter than others. Looking close, it's usually the volume being turned down that's the culprit. Rolling up the gain will definitely get you into drive territory faster, but volume not as much. Master just controls output sound level- it has little or no effect on tone.

The '65 twin model has a lot of "headroom", like the real amp. It's one of my two main sounds on my MIII, and it can get ridiculously loud. Two tips to keep in mind with these, though. The taper on the master volume is more gradual than on many classic Fender amps. 4 on the master isn't necessarily going to be in earthquake territory, like on a real Twin Reverb. Secondly, the volume and master controls are interactive- major changes to the volume setting will influence the taper on the master. Ie, the master can be or NOT be twitchy- depending on where the volume is set, and which amp model you're using. I've found the clean presets/models to be far more linear on the master than overdriven or distorted ones.

If it sounds a bit bewildering, that's because it kind of is- there's a learning curve to this amp. It's just the nature of the beast- to be so tweakable, and comprehensive, they had to trade off some simplicity. It doesn't take that long to get used to though. AND there are lots of us here that you can ask for help from.

Once you get the hang of it, it becomes very easy to use! I do not play in a band, however, so I cannot say how it does with other instruments present.


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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Wed Jan 29, 2014 7:03 pm
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These amps Gig well. If you take the time to figure a few things out... you can rock it no prob.
Have a Mustang III... have been Gigging w/ it... very easy to use once you get the hang of it... and it's versatile.... and plenty powerful.

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:02 am
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Archtop Bill wrote:
The MIV V2 should be plenty loud for any club gigs or audtoriums seating up to 1000.

As pointed out above by some excellent posts, the volume, master and gain interact a bit differently as you access models. There also is a learning curve with the 'stangs.

As I point out with frequency you really cannot get a feel for this amp without hooking it up to a computer and using Fuse. There are just too many parameters and some require Fuse to access. I also recommend all presets have the volume equalized to be as consistent as possible with the master control. This is not a substitute for the preshow sound check, but the sound check will go faster.


Would I have to mic a MIII V2?

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 5:09 am
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I agree with all the above posts, my M III is LOUD! I can only add if you are in a store try to find someone who knows how to use the amp and let them demo it, or find someone who owns one to show it to you.

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 7:01 am
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At 150 watts, the Mustang IV and V are just about as loud as you could ever need. In your post, you said you turned it up to 4... well turn it up higher if you need to! (My V never goes over 3 at home!)

The master volume on the Mustangs (and many other solid state amps) has a steady linear increase whereas master volumes on tube amps often have non-linear increase and tend to jump at a certain point.

Also, unless you tweak all the presets; each one has a preset volume. This is where the EXP-1 pedal really helps because you can tweak the volume without going to the amp when you switch presets.

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:14 pm
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+1 to all the advice given above.

I don’t do the band thing anymore but what I wouldn’t give to have had one of these back then. Definitely grab someone that knows their way around a mustang to help you demo it if you can. I’ll admit, when I first got my Mustang II, I went through a short period where I got a little frustrated and thought i might have made the wrong decision but then it just clicked and have been loving this ever since. This was supposed to be just a knock around amp til I got some things payed down and could get something nice to replace my Hot Rod Deville that was stolen but in all honesty, when that day comes I’m getting a Mustang III or IV dot version whatever is out at the time and a nice new strat to go with it.

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:21 am
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Hey

I tried the mustang III again and now I'm happy of the clean sounds that I could get out of it. And indeed it is really loud! But I found a used roc pro 1000 (which is the same as the performer 1000) for a really nice price so I think I will buy that roc pro because the clean is good too and it is cheaper. I only need a good clean and all the effects on the mustang are actually effects that I will never use. The only disadvantage of the roc pro is that is a really really ugly amp, one of the most ugly amps I've ever seen :p But the sound is the only thing that matters for me :) thanks for all the tips about the mustang anyhow!

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Post subject: Re: dissappointed about mustang IV
Posted: Fri Jan 31, 2014 9:44 am
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Fennycaster wrote:
Hey

I tried the mustang III again and now I'm happy of the clean sounds that I could get out of it. And indeed it is really loud! But I found a used roc pro 1000 (which is the same as the performer 1000) for a really nice price so I think I will buy that roc pro because the clean is good too and it is cheaper. I only need a good clean and all the effects on the mustang are actually effects that I will never use. The only disadvantage of the roc pro is that is a really really ugly amp, one of the most ugly amps I've ever seen :p But the sound is the only thing that matters for me :) thanks for all the tips about the mustang anyhow!

Grtz



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