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Post subject: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedals
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 3:20 pm
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Hi All,

Just got a Mustang III and I'm looking for advice on how to use the effects loop. I have a Zoom G2.1u multi effects pedal and want to be able to use this to compliment the Amp. My old amp didn't have an effects loop so It was just connected the pedal in series.

What are the differences in using the FX loop verses connecting effects in series? Since the Zoom is a multi effects unit with amp modelling, are there any tips or suggestions on how best to connect the unit to allow complimentary use of both Mustang and Zooms features?

Key questions:
- connection methods / pros and cons of placing before the Mustang or in the FX loop?
- best Mustang (clean) setting for using external effects?
- how to use external FX to compliment Mustang on board FX?

Any comments or suggestions appreciated.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:32 pm
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If you have a V2 you can move the effects where you want them in the chain (either in front of the amp... in back etc...) when going thru the loop. You'll have the ability to place them anywhere in the chain. I have a V1 and my III does not support that functionality therefore... I run my pedals thru the amp's input. The drawback to this is that you need to be careful of the pedals output levels because you can "clip" the amp. NOT good. BUT.. if you have a V2 you're golden in that department.

You'll be able to use certain pedals to boost. NICE to be able to do that. I can't do that one unless I want to literally put any effect I'm using inside the Mustang on steroids. Ever hear a verb on steroids LOL... sounds like crap. K... I digress....

Any of the models (with exception of the high gain models) set to a clean setting will respond nicely to pedals/effects. If you have a V2... my suggestion is to go thru the loop.. experiment and try things out. Negates any clipping issues.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Sun Dec 29, 2013 4:48 pm
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Interesting, this relates to my post:
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Strat-slinger; you're saying: "If you have a V2 you can move the effects where you want them in the chain (either in front of the amp... in back etc...) when going thru the loop. You'll have the ability to place them anywhere in the chain."
How do you do this then?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 12:54 am
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Thanks Strat-slinger. Unfortunately I have a v1 - only just bought it but didn't know there was a v2. It explains the good price but I'm feeling a bit cheated.

That said, your comment about high output causing clipping perhaps explains why some of the Zoom's patches sound ok and others sound terrible. I've tried changing between connecting the Zoom via the input and FX loop but the results are inconclusive.

Please could you explain more about how moving effects in the chain helps, particularly how it would compliment external multi effects?

Thanks again.


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 9:32 am
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I just started toying with my Mustang V v2 with a Zoom G5. I discovered that with the Mustang V effects loop in the normal mode and the Zoom G5 in the Combo Power Amp, seems to give me the best results, especially with the tube boost and compressors in the Zoom G5..

I use the Zoom G5 mostly for the tube boost, delays, modulations, compressors and just about everything else, except with the amp sims, overdrives, fuzz..

I have a Proco Rat and a Hardwire CM2 going straight into the Mustang V after my guitar to beef it up a little as well...

I was using a Y-connector on the send of the effects loop in the Mustang V, but discovered that you can just use the right or left send into the Zoom G5 and then the left and right of the Zoom G5 outs back into the Mustang V effects return...

The Rotary, UniVibe and ping pong delay effects are killer like this....
Also the tube boost really warms up the Mustang V's tone...

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Mon Dec 30, 2013 6:34 pm
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Callisto9 wrote:
Thanks Strat-slinger. Unfortunately I have a v1 - only just bought it but didn't know there was a v2. It explains the good price but I'm feeling a bit cheated.

That said, your comment about high output causing clipping perhaps explains why some of the Zoom's patches sound ok and others sound terrible. I've tried changing between connecting the Zoom via the input and FX loop but the results are inconclusive.

Please could you explain more about how moving effects in the chain helps, particularly how it would compliment external multi effects?

Thanks again.
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Howdy, don't feel cheated. The V1's are downright awesome amplifiers ;)
in a nutshell, this is what I've found to be best practice with effects and how to "chain" them:
Dirt and Wah pedals sound good in front... Verb, Delay, Phaser, Flanger sound best after the preamp (in back).
Compressors sound decent in front or in back.

The V2's allow you to place your loop in the front or in the back. More practical with effects pedals to have this functionality. The V1's only allow you to place the effects in the back.. which unfortunately puts them BEHIND effects already in the amp. A prob if using modulation effects (verbs, delays, phaser etc..).
It's not the end of the world as we know that this is the case.... Have found that the V1's take external pedals rather well going into the input... just make sure that the output of the pedals you're using are not too hot... cause if they are... it's clip city.

I basically match the pedals volume to the amp's volume... use an inboard effect already inside the Mustang if boost or added umph!! is needed.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 6:54 am
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Strat-Slinger wrote:

The V2's allow you to place your loop in the front or in the back. More practical with effects pedals to have this functionality. The V1's only allow you to place the effects in the back.. which unfortunately puts them BEHIND effects already in the amp. A prob if using modulation effects (verbs, delays, phaser etc..).
It's not the end of the world as we know that this is the case.... Have found that the V1's take external pedals rather well going into the input... just make sure that the output of the pedals you're using are not too hot... cause if they are... it's clip city.

I basically match the pedals volume to the amp's volume... use an inboard effect already inside the Mustang if boost or added umph!! is needed.


You say that the V2 (which I have) allows you to place your FX loop wherever you want, but how do you get access to this opption then? I've searched on the amp itself and on the Fender Fuse software, and there's no FX loop to be found anywhere..?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 11:33 am
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rednebb wrote:
You say that the V2 (which I have) allows you to place your FX loop wherever you want, but how do you get access to this option then? I've searched on the amp itself and on the Fender Fuse software, and there's no FX loop to be found anywhere..?


Fender® Mustang™ III-V (V.2) Audio Signal Path: Effects Loop Position

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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Tue Dec 31, 2013 4:43 pm
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Found it now after upgrading to firmware 2.1, thanks :-)


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 1:18 pm
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Do I have to have a effect plugged in to the amp to get to the FX loop function in the Utility menu?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:32 pm
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As far as I know, the utility menu option is always there, regardless of whether anything is plugged into the fx loop or not. But note this utility menu option only exists on the V2 Mustang amps, not on the V1 amps.

I suppose the follow-up question back to you is: why do you ask? What do you want to achieve, and what isn't working (implied by your question) the way you're expecting it to?


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Post subject: Re: Mustang III FX loop - using external multi effects pedal
Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:51 am
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Just my two cents here on the effects loop:

I play ambient a lot in my apartment and the M3 holds up pretty well. However, a lot of the delays and reverbs I have don't play nice in the effects loop when the volume (not master volume) is high.

For instance, I get a whooshing noise off of my Hall of Fame's modulated toneprint (similar to the Boss RV-5). I use a Twin with low gain or British 60s as a good "clean" base, but once that volume goes over 5 depending on what's engaged, there's artifacts or clipping going on. Not sure why that is given that it isn't feeding into a "preamp" stage and my mixes aren't terribly high on the pedals...


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