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Post subject: Mustang Floor w/AMP? PA? sound productioion
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 11:06 am
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Hello everyone.

I've been the owner of a Mustang Floor Multi-Pedal for almost a year now.

I've not regretted the purchase and have found the unit to be built well and with what I'm currently playing through it and what it's playing through, have found the sound of it to be good as well.

The reason I'm posting today is I'm trying to determine where to go with the next step.

First, I feel I should disclose my equipment:

Schecter Diamond Series 006 Delux

Ovation Celebrity GC 057

"Premier" Sunburst Strat style that I use for clean, trwangy, light rock/country type stuff

I run the electric guitars into the floor then the Floor into Alesis Multimix USBFX
http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/ ... OgodWBsA-g

I run the acoustic straight into the mixer and use the built in reverbs. I think it sounds pretty good. This is not my area of complaints.

From the mixer, I run RCA into a Sony AX301 (that is not designed for live sound):
http://www.hifiengine.com/library/sony/ta-ax301.shtml

Sound is sent through normal speaker wire (though on the smaller side of gauge) into
a pair of Yamaha NS-A100XT - http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-vi ... mode=model

I'm running Stereo XLR into the mixer.
Using 2 channels, I pan L/R accordingly.

I realize that all I'm working with the Mustang Floor is the caviar in the mix :mrgreen:
But I got all of it separately piece meal and at good prices.

I don't play in a band (atm) but I do write/attempt to record my own stuff.
I'm able to play all the instruments needed in a band so, that helps.

SO, I realize I'm NOT going to get a good sound out of this setup.
For recorded music, this setup is loud & sweet.
But not for live stuff.

What I'm been going over and over ( and over) in my head is;
Is my problem in the guitar? Or the sound production? Or both?
Should I buy what is considered a "good guitar" that sounds undeniably good?
Should I buy a power amp and a pair of 12" cab's?
Run the Floor into the mixer, mixer into the power amp?
Run the floor into either an inline EQ or into a rack unit EQ which will be holding the power amp anyways?

I also wanted to be able to use the equipment for vocal production.
So I didn't know if I should go 12" PA Cabs or 12" Guitar Cab?
I'd like to run stereo so I'll have to double up if I go with Guitar Amps.

And, alas, I'm doing this on a shoestring budget.
Gotta wife and 4 kids. Not much left over for the music, as you can probably tell.
But, I just can't get it outta my system after all these years.


I'm open for constructive criticism, suggestions, and discussions.
Got any questions? Please, ask.

Thanx in advance~
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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor w/AMP? PA? sound productioion
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:18 pm
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I forgot to mention that currently, I'm considering getting (2) Fender Mustang II V.2 40W 1x12 Guitar Combo Amps to run in stereo.

I'm also looking at getting a Fender Strat to replace the cheap strat copy I currently use.

This is the "go to" decision should I not gain any ground in making a decision based upon consultation with others that have more experience with the Floor played into various output devices.

Also, I have read I think, two, threads on the Floor through a PA.
It was cast in a positive light but not as much as it is when through an amp.

Again, I'm just wanting to brainstorm with someone, throw stuff back & forth and see if anything develops.

thanx

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor w/AMP? PA? sound productioion
Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 12:44 pm
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Just MHO... but considering everything you say you want at the end...

I'd be inclined to get a couple decent powered stage monitors.
you can then plug the floor into the mixer for FOH setup, plus you can sing and still plug in a couple other instruments.
you could even, in a small venue use one speaker as a main and one as a monitor and have a pretty sweet small club set up that is super portable...
But get some fairly decent speakers

Plus if the opportunity arises, you could take one of the powered speakers with you when you sit in with other bands and plug straight in for a cool FRFR rig... or shoot take 'em both and go stereo.
But I'd only take one usually... quick and easy!

So IMHO the 2 powered stage monitors gives you the widest versatility. without killing the wallet.


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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 3:24 pm
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Hi mojo

What does "FOH" & "FRFR" mean?

I did consider using powered speakers.
But I thought the power chords may be an issue vs using speaker cables.

So, it is possible to get a good distortion for hard rock/metal-ish type sound from using the mixer/pa speakers? I imagine the clean tone would be better than what I can get currently with my setup I'm using now.

I was concerned, also, about the mixer degrading/altering the TRUE sound of the Mustang Floor but was unsure if it would or not. Hence the reason I was looking at going the (2) Mustang Amp route. For the $ they are hard to beat. Even if I don't need/use the "effects" they come with. Hard to find a decent wattage amp with a 12" speaker for less than $200.

I started playing guitar at 16. I'm now, 36.

It started in church and then a few projects/bands along the way to here.
I don't play with anyone anymore and had been out of the loop for several years, but, I recall once that using a speaker with a horn, one had to be careful not to blow out the horn using guitars? Or, something to that effect...

Thank you very much for responding. I'm a bit disheartened that many more have viewed this thread than have responded.

If you had any recommendations on a good, as inexpensive as possible, powered speaker, I'd love to hear it.

thanx again~

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Posted: Thu Dec 19, 2013 7:54 pm
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When I had my Mustang Floor, I used a power amp and a dual band eq into a 2 x 12 cab with two Eminence Texas Heats. It sounded pretty good that way...

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The power amp was a QSC GX5, I modded it with a 12db fan to get it pretty silent for my studio..

http://www.zzounds.com/item--QSCGX5
The EQ was a Rane Dual Band I got of of eBay for $50.00

I traded the Mustang Floor, but I bought a Mustang V v2 to replace it, so now I just use the 2 x 12 with the two Texas Heats and the Mustang V and it rocks....

I also use that Egnater Tweaker 15 with the same cab..

I use the Mustang V mostly for my studio, practice and when I do not want to drag my spendy tube amps around....

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor w/AMP? PA? sound productioion
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:15 am
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WulfGangii wrote:
Hi mojo

What does "FOH" & "FRFR" mean?

I did consider using powered speakers.
But I thought the power chords may be an issue vs using speaker cables.

So, it is possible to get a good distortion for hard rock/metal-ish type sound from using the mixer/pa speakers? I imagine the clean tone would be better than what I can get currently with my setup I'm using now.

I was concerned, also, about the mixer degrading/altering the TRUE sound of the Mustang Floor but was unsure if it would or not. Hence the reason I was looking at going the (2) Mustang Amp route. For the $ they are hard to beat. Even if I don't need/use the "effects" they come with. Hard to find a decent wattage amp with a 12" speaker for less than $200.

I started playing guitar at 16. I'm now, 36.

It started in church and then a few projects/bands along the way to here.
I don't play with anyone anymore and had been out of the loop for several years, but, I recall once that using a speaker with a horn, one had to be careful not to blow out the horn using guitars? Or, something to that effect...

Thank you very much for responding. I'm a bit disheartened that many more have viewed this thread than have responded.

If you had any recommendations on a good, as inexpensive as possible, powered speaker, I'd love to hear it.

thanx again~

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor w/AMP? PA? sound productioion
Posted: Fri Dec 20, 2013 11:20 am
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WulfGangii wrote:
Hi mojo

What does "FOH" & "FRFR" mean?



FOH = Front of House (this usually means the "mains" in a PA setup)

FRFR = Full Range Flat Response (this means that the speaker itself does not "color" the sound in any way - 1. A full-range loudspeaker drive unit is defined as a driver which reproduces as much of the audible frequency range as possible, within the limitations imposed by the physical constraints of a specific design. 2. Frequency response curves are often used to indicate the accuracy of electronic components or systems. When a system or component reproduces all desired input signals with no emphasis or attenuation of a particular frequency band, the system or component is said to be "flat", or to have a flat frequency response curve.)

I suggest a couple of these....

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Alto-TS110A ... 2344770.gc

This Alto TS110A is a 600W two-way active speaker. You'll find two Mic/Line combo inputs with independent volume controls and XLR output to link speakers. It's lightweight and is stand and pole-mountable or flyable so it's easy to take any and everywhere. Featuring a Ground Lift switch, accurate audience coverage and a contour switch for increased EQ control.

Alto TS110A 600W 10" 2-Way Active Speaker Features:
600 WattsClass D power
10” low-frequency transducer, 1” neodymium driver
Two Mic/Line combo inputs with independent volume controls
XLR output to link speakers
Lightweight, trapezoidal cabinet with handle
Stand and pole-mountable or flyable
Clip Limiter with red LED
Ground Lift switch
Contour switch for increased EQ control
Accurate audience coverage, not just on-axis
Use as traditional upright loudspeaker or as floor wedge monitor
Designed and tuned in the USA

They are inexpensive and sound AWESOME!!!! and can double for a PA System as well. I have one and will be getting my second soon so I can run my Mustang Floor in stereo.

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor w/AMP? PA? sound productioion
Posted: Tue Dec 24, 2013 6:52 am
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+1 for the powered speakers for you, based on what you wrote about your needs. The Alto speakers seem to be the flavor of the month. If they are reliable, they appear to be a really good value. I would avoid comparatively priced Harbingers (also being pushed at GC and MF). Take a serious look at comparable Carvin molded cabs---the sweepable midrange feature is a nice voicing feature, especially for use with a guitar modeler (midrange goes a long way in removing stiffness from amp/cab models).

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Post subject: Re: Mustang Floor w/AMP? PA? sound productioion
Posted: Tue Jan 07, 2014 9:21 am
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Thanx for ALL the input guys.

It basically just reaffirms my line of thought upon buying the MF to begin with.

Along the way, I started thinking about amps and stuff.
As I stated, there was two lines of thought, one, was the sound production kind of general cover the most bases route. The other was a more personal approach to MY sound and corner of the music production as just a guitar player.

In the other route, I felt I really wanted to play through two amps using the at best the XLR into L/R amps. And, at least, running 1/4 inch mono L/R into the amps.

I STILL may do the second route.
As far as powered speakers, I think I'm going to stay away from them for now.
My thinking is that if the PA goes in the speaker, does it then become passive? So if I had to I could use an external PA? Ok, even then, I would then have to buy an external PA. So, my logic says, to go with passive speakers and just buy an external PA up front.

I feel this will allow me more options as far as spear choice down the road.



Sorry it's taken me awhile to get back to you. I do appreciate the time you guys took to answer my questions. Wouldn't leave ya hangin :)

cheers

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Posted: Tue Feb 04, 2014 10:11 am
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Hello everyone, it's me again haha.

Well, I've not bought anything in regards to the topic at hand.

And I've changed my mind (yet) again.

I want to go with a two amp setup.

I'm looking for an amp with a good clean sound, not complicated. Doesn't need any effects.
I'm scared to buy used at close to the same price as new because one never knows how used equipment was treated, etc.

As I previously mentioned, my music tastes vary.
I'll need something that can sound good playing Waylon/Jamey Johnson type stuff but then change guitars (drop B) and play some darker melodic type stuff like Type O Negative.

I wanted to go 1x12 because I was concerned with how a 2x12 runs "stereo" and having two of them, I'm not sure what that would sound like lol.

However, I'm looking at the Marshall MG30FX (x2). But, it's only 30w with a 10" speaker.
I'm wanting to keep the price at around $200 each. If I have to spend more than that then I'd be looking at half stacks, or other options.

http://www.guitarcenter.com/Marshall-MG ... 2034720.gc

Does anybody play through these little amps or have ANY experience with them?

Thoughts? Opinions?

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Posted: Thu Feb 13, 2014 9:53 am
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Well, I finally made my decision.

I bought (2) Powered 12" Harbinger Speakers with mounts from local GC.

They were $130 a piece. I also bought a Schecter Damien Solo Elite.

Weird thing... I played the Schecter through a $700 Marshall amp (can't recall which one) and I was NOT impressed with the sound of it. I also tried a Epi LP Standard Pro, which I had INTENDED on buying when I went there. I was really attracted to the coil splitting option. And, indeed, it WAS very nice and I actually did get a decent sound out of the LP after adjusting the amp after several minutes. But, it was not mind blowing. AND, worse, I was not feeling the way the guitar played.

I had previously owned an Epi LP Standard and liked it. Was playing through some rack effects processor (name escapes me) through some Randell half stack.

I played SEVERAL LP style guitars. The one that I liked the best was sadly out of my price range. I actually wanted to see if it was the amp, me, or the guitars I had been playing on. The $800 guitar was the black ESP LTD. It was SUPER nice guitar. LOVED it. And, it did in fact sound better on the Marshall. But, still missing something.

So, I took it over to a Line 6 amp. I just turned the knob through the clean/crunch/metal channels and was amazed that this $300 amp sounded MUCH better than the Marshall I was just on. So, I deduced, that it may have been the amp. So I played all of the previous contenders through the Line 6. Yes, they did sound better, but I was still not feeling the way they played.

Next to the ESP was the Schecter Solo Elite. It was CLOSE to the shape of the LP. So I gave it a whirl.

And.... wow. I hadn't played on it 30 seconds and KNEW that this was the best I had played (excluding the ESP) out of the LP's I had been trying.

It felt good, sounded good, and looked good. Only one (IMO) minor thing;
The edge of the neck/fret area (no binding) the frets have a little bite to them.
They don't bother me. I grew up in construction and masonry so my hands aren't too dish watered :D haha

I am assuming that I can have this fixed though? I mean... I, have... a dremel haha :D (J/K)

Anyways, bought the speakers & guitar, and other things, stand,straps,strings,picks, etc etc, and brought it home.

I got to play it about 15 mins that night with the speakers sitting on the floor and I knew I should have bought the speakers stands. NP, I picked them up the next day.
Plugged everything in and started jamming out to some G'n'R.
Again, wow.. LOVE the sound of this guitar.

It sounds even better through the MF and the powered speakers than it did through the Line 6.

These speakers are pretty decent. I know they aren't a "popular" brand but they do sound good and they are 130w RMS and get plenty loud enough for me.

I'll be using my ThinkPad with the MF running into it via USB to control amp settings.
Which, btw, I was playing the Solo Elite using the settings that I had made for the Schecter 006 & cheap strat. I can't wait to get the Solo dialed in properly.

I'll get some stuff up on my You Tube channel soon and drop back in this thread to update it.

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Posted: Tue Feb 25, 2014 3:18 pm
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On my way back to GC to return the Schecter Elite Solo.

After a couple of weeks playing it I have decided that I don't favor the thin profile neck after all.

When I was looking at it and the Epi LP's I THOUGHT I liked the thinner neck better.
Actually, I DID like it better. Still do.

But I have found if I turn or put ANY little amount of pressure on the neck while playing, it effects the pitch of the notes.
The neck seems very sensitive to movement.
I'm hoping the thick neck of the LP won't do the same.

Gonna miss the active pickups though.

I really like this guitar. It's a shame...

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