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Post subject: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practicing
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 6:22 am
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Hi,

I'm about to buy Mustang III v.2 and I keep reading mixed reviews saying that it can be easily set to low volumes to practice at home or on the contrary that it quickly goes to far too loud sound.

Is there a possibility to build into a firmware a feature limiting the output power let's say to 20W? One can then switch it on and off depends if you practice at home or gig with a band. Then it would be much easier to use the master volume to adjust it on low levels.

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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:14 am
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the combination of the "master volume" knob and "volume" knob do what you are trying to achieve, even in a simpler way.

Simply pick the cleanest sound you plan to use, with guitar vol to the max, adjust mustang master volume to the maximum your neighbours will tolerate, and pretty much never touch it again!
From that point on simply adjust the "volume" knob to equalize the volume of each preset. To sound the same volume, a cleaner preset will have it's volume increased, and a distorted preset will have it volume lowered.

This is IMO one of those features that really make it shine an emulation amp compared to a tube amp


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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:19 am
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Thanks for the idea!
But doesn't it mean that every time you'd like to take the amp to practice with a band or play a gig you would have to modify volume for each preset to increase it to the level you can use it there?
If so - wouldn't it be simpler just to have an output power limiter you can switch on and off?


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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:20 am
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reddy157 wrote:
I'm about to buy Mustang III v.2 and I keep reading mixed reviews saying that it can be easily set to low volumes to practice at home or on the contrary that it quickly goes to far too loud sound.


I was having trouble with setting the amp to low volumes. Turns out, after some suggestions from forum members here, I had the Volume way too high on my presets which forced me to keep the Master very low. It made for a very jumpy Master.

I've now set the Volume control for my presets starting at around '4' and I make small adjustments from there to balance the volume of each preset to the next. Now, my Master is not jumpy at all, the volume adjustment is nice and smooth and I can get very low volume levels easily.

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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:25 am
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reddy157 wrote:
But doesn't it mean that every time you'd like to take the amp to practice with a band or play a gig you would have to modify volume for each preset to increase it to the level you can use it there?

No, instead you only adjust the Master volume when you get to rehearsals and shows. If the presets were balanced against each other with the Master set to '3', they should be balanced with the Master set to '6'.

So the Volume setting for each preset is used to make the volume of that preset match the other presets.

The Master volume controls ALL presets, so you use that to change the overall volume of the amp. Or at least I do. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:49 am
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Indeed strings, that is what I do too. For some reason most default presets come with a "volume" of 7 which is way too high and creates the "jumpy master" issue. Now most of my presets have a volume of 3 or 4 except for the "clean twin" kind of presets which have a volume of 10. Probably many folks used to old school amps get confused by this concept (maybe because of the deficient manual)

In the other hand, if instead of having the "volume/master-volume" feature we had a master volume and power attenuator instead (as tube amps have been doing for a number of years now) you loose a lot of control. For example, if we had a power limiter of 20 watts that will make the clean sounds loud, but will get you evicted as soon as you switch to a distorted preset :)

Remember, "distorted/compressed watts" are WAY WAY louder than "clean watts" so is pretty rudimentary as a volume control to fix the maximum wattage.


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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Tue Dec 10, 2013 7:56 am
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Thanks everyone for a very descriptive and quick response! Indeed it seems my request makes no sense and current approach is great. You also gave me one more reason to go for Mustang III instead of II, which I was also considering.

So you can simply discard my request. Or, if we could have current settings untouched but still with possibility to turn on a power limiter, wouldn't it be the best of two worlds? :)


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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:24 am
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Dear reddy157,

As you can see the Forum is loaded with very knowledgeable and awesome members willing to help one another. With that being said we at Fender® do want your feedback, so please feel comfortable in giving suggestions as we are always happy to forward them to the relating engineers. Please let us know if we can assist further.

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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:47 am
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Thanks Fender, it's really encouraging to see such a support!
I'll provide some feedback soon, when I receive my Mustang and play with it a bit :)

I believe all experienced forum members (thank you all for explanations!) that Mustang III can be easily controlled to be used with low volume levels. However, please consider implementing power limiter into the firmware to make it easier for end users who use the amp both for practising at home and playing with a band.


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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2013 10:59 am
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Reddy - I have been using it at home, band sessions and at gigs of different sizes. All you gotta do really is, like others have said, arrange presets to be roughly the same volume (and start with clean presets that have 'volume' knob up to 5, so your master won't be as jumpy) and then just use the master to control your overall volume. For home use I had my master between 2 and 2.5, for band sessions around 4, for gigs around 5. It's as simple as it gets ;)
Everything will be clear to you once you use your Mustang a couple of times though.

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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Mon Dec 23, 2013 5:18 pm
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So, I've been a Mustang III v2 owner for 2 days now. :) Every time I turn it on I love it more and more! It really does sound superb, and I still hasn't had much time to tweak the presets to my preference.
I confirm everything you wrote - it's perfectly usable at home and can be easily set to stay on not disturbing levels. However, like you also wrote, definitely one needs to normalize volume on presets.

Thanks all of you once again!


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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 9:05 am
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Hi reddy157,

We are happy to hear that you are enjoying your new Fender® Mustang™ amp. Please let us know if we can assist along the way.

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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Thu Dec 26, 2013 3:31 pm
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Thanks!

Actually (and I'm sorry for morphing the subject), one thing annoys me - every time I turn on the amp it switches to preset 00. It would be much better if it starts with the preset which was set when the amp was turned off. For example my old Zoom multieffect pedal does that and it's much more user friendly, especially considering one hundred presets on Mustang III...

I did a quick search and it seems several people mentioned this before, so it's not just me who's annoyed :) I know I can change the 00 preset the way I like, but still I'd prefer the amp to remember the last setting. I can understand if it forgets all unsaved changes done to the preset (if any), but at least it should stick to the preset number. And, of course, I'd love if it remembers also the unsaved changes. :)

Any chance to implement it in future firmware updates?


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Post subject: Re: Firmware feature request - output power limit for practi
Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 3:47 am
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Auto saving presets is a feature that I personally would not want, at all. If I am gigging and I have to make a change to my preset on the fly, (add a little more mids for example) I sure don't want it changing the work I went into making the preset in the first place unless I tell it to. If I want it saved, I'll save it and it's only the push of a button away.


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Posted: Fri Dec 27, 2013 9:42 am
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Hi Guys,

Thanks for the additional thoughts and feedback here. We will pass these thoughts along for consideration. And please let us know if we can assist with anything.

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