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Post subject: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Sat Nov 16, 2013 4:41 pm
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Well, been giggin' with my M3v2 for the past six months and, jeez, so little money so well spent! I've been so ridiculously busy with life that I haven't had time to really explore the M3v2's internal sounds---even though I'm hooked up to it via the 4-cable method, the speaker-cab-PowerAmp design of the M3 is so sweet that I've been using it exclusively as a power cabinet with my floor modeler (I was able to very easily set up some emergency patches in case my modeler failed). The combination just sings and I'm amazed by the presence and projection that the M3 has (being wireless, I get to run around on and off stage). Indoors or outdoors, I have yet to go beyond 4 on the master (I am DI'ed to the PA). Thinking back to my old Princeton, Bassman and Quad Reverb, my M3 has become my favorite Fender amp EVER!

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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Tue Nov 19, 2013 8:35 am
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Same here. Of all the amps I have ever owned, I like the little $329 Mustang III v2 the best of them all. It just works without any fuss and sounds fantastic.

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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 12:57 pm
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PajFender wrote:
I'm hooked up to it via the 4-cable method

Can you explain this further? I haven't heard of this before...

thanks,


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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Fri Dec 06, 2013 5:26 pm
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OP: As someone that seems to really use their Mustang to its full potential (as opposed to me plinking away in the living room), in a live environment do you notice the noise that gets injected with the stomp box effects, or do you just avoid them?


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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 8:50 am
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I've been gigging with the m3 v1 for about a year now. I've had no issues at all with the fizz or any other kind of noise. I run it around 4 on the maste most but when I get a chance to turn up it justs gets better.


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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 2:14 pm
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adiabatic wrote:
OP: As someone that seems to really use their Mustang to its full potential (as opposed to me plinking away in the living room), in a live environment do you notice the noise that gets injected with the stomp box effects, or do you just avoid them?


I can use my floor modeler with external stomps but I don't have any hooked in at the moment. My M3v2 is as noiseless and hum-free as any guitar amp I've EVER used.

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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 4:47 pm
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PajFender wrote:
I can use my floor modeler with external stomps but I don't have any hooked in at the moment. My M3v2 is as noiseless and hum-free as any guitar amp I've EVER used.


Hm. This is what I hear on some presets (turn up your volume... the phone's mic didn't pick up too well) and it's usually worst with the internal Stomp effects (but not with my external pedals).



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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Sat Dec 07, 2013 6:43 pm
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Try adjusting the noise gate. This is easiest found in Fuse under the Advanced Amp settngs tab. It works like a charm.

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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2013 9:13 pm
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I don't want to sidetrack the OP too much but if you have noise gate settings that work well I'd like to know what they are. All that the NG did for me was silence the gap between notes... notes themselves have noise overlaid.


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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:44 am
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sleepyEDB wrote:
PajFender wrote:
I'm hooked up to it via the 4-cable method

Can you explain this further? I haven't heard of this before...

thanks,


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Do a web search for this and you will get info specifics for your preferred floor modeler. Different manufacturers implement the 4CM in different ways. The basic idea is to, on demand, bypass the amp/cab modeling in your modeler and use your modeler like an analog pedalboard. Instead of an amp/cab model, you are using your amp's front end with the effects of the modeler. If implemented correctly by the manufacturer (and user), amp/cab models are bypassed, pre-effects are routed to the amp's front-end input, and post-effects are routed to the amp's effects return. The amp needs to have an effects loop and the modeler needs to have an amp loop or an effects/stomp loop. If the modeler has an effects/stomp loop, the programming options for the modeler sims and and the modeler's effects/stomp loop are critical for proper performance and routing of pre- and post-effects. If the modeler has an amp loop, the "proper" signal routings and bypasses are automatic.

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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 5:17 am
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adiabatic wrote:
OP: As someone that seems to really use their Mustang to its full potential (as opposed to me plinking away in the living room), in a live environment do you notice the noise that gets injected with the stomp box effects, or do you just avoid them?


This is an eternal issue with stomps, whether they are actual, analog, virtual or digital. The usual culprit is the gain structure of the signal chain, especially if the effects are "pre" effects. It generally calls for tweaking the gains and volumes/outputs, maybe even the pre/post assignments.

I've just begun to explore the features of the M3v2 with FUSE, so I respectfully defer to the more experience Mustang users when it comes to the presets/patches.

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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 10:19 am
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PajFender wrote:
Do a web search for this and you will get info specifics for your preferred floor modeler. Different manufacturers implement the 4CM in different ways. The basic idea is to, on demand, bypass the amp/cab modeling in your modeler and use your modeler like an analog pedalboard. Instead of an amp/cab model, you are using your amp's front end with the effects of the modeler. If implemented correctly by the manufacturer (and user), amp/cab models are bypassed, pre-effects are routed to the amp's front-end input, and post-effects are routed to the amp's effects return. The amp needs to have an effects loop and the modeler needs to have an amp loop or an effects/stomp loop. If the modeler has an effects/stomp loop, the programming options for the modeler sims and and the modeler's effects/stomp loop are critical for proper performance and routing of pre- and post-effects. If the modeler has an amp loop, the "proper" signal routings and bypasses are automatic.

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Excellent, thanks! I wasn't sure if this was Mustang-specific or referred to amps in general. Thank you for the summary, and I will Google for more information.


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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 2:11 pm
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adiabatic wrote:
OP: As someone that seems to really use their Mustang to its full potential (as opposed to me plinking away in the living room), in a live environment do you notice the noise that gets injected with the stomp box effects, or do you just avoid them?

I’ve experienced similar noise issues myself when using some of the stomps. Particularly the Blackbox and the Orangebox. The standard OD as well as the Greenbox have not given me issue. I have an external RAT pedal that I use so don’t really have need for the Blackbox and do notice that if I dial them both in about the same, on Rhythms, I can get them nearly identical but leads don’t sound quite as “Creamy” for lack of a better word with the Mustang’s Blackbox. Using my external RAT set as such doesn’t yield the same noise so just use that. I’ve avoided the Orangebox for the same reason but last night decided to try it again because I really wanted to have that as another option, and discovered If I back the tone and Level down and set distortion about 2:00, it was much better. I added to a preset which I will upload. I’ve never owned a DS-1 and therefore have no point of reference so I’d be very curious as to the opinions of others how the Orangebox stacks up to its real world counterpart and if my preset resembles what a Twin with a DS-1 in front of it would sound like.

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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:10 pm
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adiabatic wrote:
I don't want to sidetrack the OP too much but if you have noise gate settings that work well I'd like to know what they are. All that the NG did for me was silence the gap between notes... notes themselves have noise overlaid.


I tweak in the noise gate for each preset that I save. It varies from preset to preset but if I see the need for them it usually in in the 25% to 50%. To my ear, it seems to remove the noise from the notes as well as the rests.

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Post subject: Re: M3v2 after 6 months
Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 3:27 pm
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4-cable method...Can you explain this further?

As noted earlier, this is a standard way of connecting a multi-fx unit, floor-modeller, etc, to an amp - assuming both devices have the necessary connections (principally, both need an fx-loop). You'll find an internet full of explanatory info on this.

In the context of the Mustang amps and the Mustang Floor specifically, the possible permutations and their uses / limitations have been extensively covered in previous topics in this forum. That's definitely worth a search/read.

But if you just want the answer, here's how you connect the four cables:
Guitar to floor unit-input
Floor-unit fx-send to amp input
Amp fx-send to floor-unit fx-return
Floor-unit output to amp fx-return

The idea behind this is that your floor-unit adds some effects before its fx-loop, and some other effects after its fx-loop. So you end up with the first set of effects before your amp input, and the second set of effects in the amp's fx-loop. Exactly the same as you would do with real pedals.

One advantage of using a floor-unit rather than pedals is that you can replace all those pedals with a single unit. Another key advantage is that you can (usually) change lots of pedal settings, turn some/all the pedals on and off, or even completely change which pedals you're using, all with one (or a small number of) footswitch presses on the floor-unit, rather than having to switch each pedal separately.

With some floor units, the effects you can put in the 'pre' and 'post' positions are fixed; with others its much more configurable. This is an important point; you should check that the capabilities of the floor-unit you're going to buy match what you want to do, there are big differences between different units in this regard.


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