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Post subject: Fender Mustang 3 adding an Line6 HD500 or Boss GT100 process
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 9:53 am
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I am thinking of buying an additional effects processor enabling me to use
more effects etc.
I now have an Boss RC300 looper connected to the Mustang Effects loops.

I believe the 4 cable method is advisible for connecting the extra effects
processor, am I correct to assume the Boss Rc300 looper must be connected
to the effects send of the new processor?

Would also appreciate feedback from users which have added an extra effects
processor.

The line6 500 are very cheap 2nd hand view the arrival of the new 500x and
the boss gt100 have also been reduced in price here in Holland.

Thanks for the feedback and advise.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 adding an Line6 HD500 or Boss GT100 pro
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 11:45 am
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Assuming you're doing conventional 4CM, I'd put the RC300 in between the 'other unit' final output and the fx-return of your Mustang.

So your signal chain looks like this:

Guitar -> 'other unit' input
'other unit fx send -> Mustang input
Mustang fx send -> other unit fx return
other unit final output -> RC300 input
RC300 output -> Mustang fx return


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 adding an Line6 HD500 or Boss GT100 pro
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:04 pm
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Scott tks kindly for your reply.

I trust I will be able to use all the effects of the Processor,
The looper records whatevever I give either an dry or
modded sound.

I assume I should use the Mustang special empty patch Clean sound
and our should I use the post effect Delays and reverbs of the Mustang only
and use the other pre effects of both the proc. and mustang pre effects.

Enabling me to select a Wah / Stomp Box Overdrive / add a Chorus / Flanger
or whatever combination of effects from the processor.

Or could I even use both delays together?

Sorry for all these questions but I am relatively new to adding an effect processer
to my set up.

Just want to be sure everything will work correctly.

tks.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 adding an Line6 HD500 or Boss GT100 pro
Posted: Mon Nov 04, 2013 12:29 pm
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For what its worth, one thing to be aware of is these units might not be as transparent as you might hope depending on what you are going for. Granted, I had a GT6 and Mustang II so it was an older unit and I was not able to connect via “4 cable method” but I opted to get rid of it and replace it with couple pedals because I found that even with nothing turned on on the GT6, it covered up the beauty of the amp modeling on the Mustang side. I had hoped to use the GT for the stomps and additional effects but just couldn’t get past the loss of the characteristics I got without it hooked up. Your selection of both the effects unit and how you will hook it up is very different from mine but I’m just throwing it out there for consideration before you drop the loot on a new toy.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 adding an Line6 HD500 or Boss GT100 pro
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 12:44 am
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I assume I should use the Mustang special empty patch Clean sound
and our should I use the post effect Delays and reverbs of the Mustang only
and use the other pre effects of both the proc. and mustang pre effects. Enabling me to select a Wah / Stomp Box Overdrive / add a Chorus / Flanger or whatever combination of effects from the processor. Or could I even use both delays together?


With the 4CM cabling I cited above (or rather 5CM as you have an extra cable for the looper!), you can use the pre- and post- effects of both the Mustang and your other unit at the same time, as well as the amp modelling of your Mustang if you want. The effects signal chain, based on the above physical wiring, looks like this:

other unit pre-fx -> Mustang pre-fx -> Mustang amp modelling -> Mustang post-fx -> other unit post-fx

So you can use the fx sections of both units to increase the number of effects in your signal chain... if you really need to.

You could also use the other unit's amp modelling, either at the end of its pre-fx section or the start of its post-fx section. In this case you probably do want a neutral/clean sound from the Mustang's amp modelling, and you'll need to think carefully about which Mustang effects you use. (Of course there's nothing to stop you using both units' amp modelling together; it's not usually necessary, but the point of all this is that you can experiment to find the sound you want).

Although I haven't done a direct comparison myself, everything I've read suggests that the Mustang's amp models are better than those in most other units, so sticking with the Mustang's amp modelling may be the better option - and works more naturally with the physical signal chain too.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 adding an Line6 HD500 or Boss GT100 pro
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 10:22 am
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Seems a bit superfluous... running a digital modeling floorboard through a digital modeling amp.

1. Opinions always vary but on this very forum you will find several owners and previous owners of POD HD500s that attest that the Mustang amp models sound better.

2. If your decision to run a floorboard through the Mustang is for the additional effects and not for the amp models; then why not get a Line 6 M5, M9 or M13 stompbox modeler instead which should cost less than a POD HD500?

3. I have heard that sometimes running a digital processor into another digital processor creates a "overload" and ends up sounding like crap. I would go to a music store and try out a POD with a Mustang amp to be sure they are compatible and produce the tone you desire.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Mustang 3 adding an Line6 HD500 or Boss GT100 pro
Posted: Tue Nov 05, 2013 11:54 am
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I use a Boss GT-100 with my Mesa amps but I do on occasion use the MIII for small stages, low volume gigs. My GT-100 has a set of patches for 4CM with the MIII and another set of patches using the GT's preamps into the MIII's FX return. When using the latter setup I prefer the speaker sims of the MIII so I have all the GT speaker sims off. Since the MIII doesn't have midi that could be used for changing the MII patches I don't like 4CM because I have to do a reach around to change patches on the MIII. I do however have 3 patches on the MIII with different speaker sims for going direct depending on my mood. All MIII effects are off.

Using the GT-100 I have all the control I need and the MIII is a nice lightweight option when you don't need/want to use a big amp. I agree with Tiger 3 that sending a modeler to a modeler seems a bit "superfluous" but when just using the power section and speaker it's similar to running the GT into a FR monitor, but better IMO. It makes for a nice little versatile package. MIII by it's self for rehearsals, MIII & GT-100 for small gigs, Mesa amp and GT-100 4CM for most gigs.


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