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Post subject: Finally Got the Marshall the way I like it
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:11 am
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Was having a tough time dialing in the Marshall JCM so went back to the Plexi but still there was just something off with it. A sort of metallic, rattle, harshness about it is how I can best describe it. Then I tried backing down the Guitar volume to about 7 and Voila! That’s the ticket. I had fairly recently switched from Lace Sensors (Transensor in the bridge) to CS69s and was just used to maxing out the Laces by default and having it work with any preset I threw at it on my GT6. Got the mustang shortly after the PUP switch so it was a transitional period on both fronts. Now I’m in love with the Marshall model and can’t wait to try out the JCM again with my new found trick. I guess I just had to find the sweet spot on the PUP as well. Curious to know if this is just standard for these PUP types. I’ve had the Lace’s in my strat for about 20 years … holy crap has it really been that long?

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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 9:25 am
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Sounds like your pickups were overdriving the A/D converter.

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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:01 am
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Orcatraz wrote:
Sounds like your pickups were overdriving the A/D converter.

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seems like its certainly the issue. Just odd that a PUP of only about 6k would do that. Doesn't seem to on the other models but will have to see if dialing back on the pickup volume on those improves the sound. A sweet spot is a sweet spot.

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Post subject: Re: Finally Got the Marshall the way I like it
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 10:13 am
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All a matter of preference, I guess, but I prefer either an overdrive or fuzz pedal (the mustang's modeled ones) in front of any of the clean amps, or the supersonic model all by itself, or the 90s model, to any of the "british" models for crunch or lead tone.

Hence I haven't spent much time with the british models. I guess if I did, I might find a crunch tone with them that I like. I find all of them to be too trebly or harsh compared to the 90s model or overdrive in front of a clean fender amp model. Then again since I didn't spend much time with them...perhaps I could just EQ more bass and mids..... what tends to happen is I play a chord with one of the british models and then the same chord with 90s and like the 90s better and keep using the 90s as my 3rd QA preset.

Could just be what my ears like I guess. When I do high gain I'm usually doing Nirvana and I happen to think the 90s model on my M4 nails it.

And I like just doing fuzz or overdrive in front of the fender deluxe or twin, simply because I like to pretend I have the "real" amp using a pedal. All of this is playing alone. I guess I might change if I were in a band and simply playing rhythm with a crunchy tone....I do like the british models too...just not my favorite. Who knows what is different if it's higher volume needing to "cut through."


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I hear ya.

I'm not even shooting for High Gain in my situation. there is a certain character that every amp has and up until this past weekend, i wasn't seeing the Marshally character i was looking for through the harshness. Dialing back the pup volume made it come alive. The tone i was looking for ... and some may laugh... is the tone on The Outfield's Play Deep album. I love that album. Good simple song compositions but well produced and Bill Wittmans engineering on it is fantastic. Just a straight up Marshall with an occasional chorus pedal and a delay but HUGE HUGE sound. Might not be everyones cup of Tea but i just dig what He and John Spinks did with that

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maybe lower your pickup height a little?

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strings10927 wrote:
maybe lower your pickup height a little?


I did that previously. Had it dialed in for the other amps but the Marshall never sounded quite right to me. Might try and lower it some more though. I had followed Fender spec on PUP height then lowered it a bit more

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Post subject: Re: Finally Got the Marshall the way I like it
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 11:18 am
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Mustangs's input clipping is probably the worst outstanding defect on mustangs IMO.
I suggested Fender to add a simple feature to make all amp leds flash when input clipping was occurring but never got a response. Not a big deal unless you have powerful pickups, but still would be nice to have it.

For the Marshall and Vox emulations, try one or several of the following:
-max out "Master volume" setting (page two of settings on M3/4/5 or from Fuse Advanced amp settings) this will add more "power-tube" growl without adding any treble.
-add a Post simple-compressor (minimum or middle settings), or post overdrive (lower treble setting on overdrive). This will push the "power-tubes" even more
-try to increase the BIAS value, will add more grittiness without adding treble on both, "pre-amp tubes" and "power-tubes"

Actually I find that saturated Vox, Marshall and Hiwatt emulated tones are the best for alternative rock, as you can use the overdrive of the emulated amp instead of adding artificial sounding pedals in front of it.
I really love the saturation dynamics of the emulated models more than the "always-on" feeling of pedals.


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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 12:13 pm
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jedi2b wrote:
Mustangs's input clipping is probably the worst outstanding defect on mustangs IMO.
I suggested Fender to add a simple feature to make all amp leds flash when input clipping was occurring but never got a response. Not a big deal unless you have powerful pickups, but still would be nice to have it.

For the Marshall and Vox emulations, try one or several of the following:
-max out "Master volume" setting (page two of settings on M3/4/5 or from Fuse Advanced amp settings) this will add more "power-tube" growl without adding any treble.
-add a Post simple-compressor (minimum or middle settings), or post overdrive (lower treble setting on overdrive). This will push the "power-tubes" even more
-try to increase the BIAS value, will add more grittiness without adding treble on both, "pre-amp tubes" and "power-tubes"

Actually I find that saturated Vox, Marshall and Hiwatt emulated tones are the best for alternative rock, as you can use the overdrive of the emulated amp instead of adding artificial sounding pedals in front of it.
I really love the saturation dynamics of the emulated models more than the "always-on" feeling of pedals.


The first Line 6 amp (Ax212) from 1997 has that feature. Input level adjustment knob and clip indicator. Very useful. I agree, I think the compressor post gain is key. At least it was for me. At first I had the simple comp pre gain but as soon as I moved to post gain It worked like a charm. I ended up changing it to the standard comp for more tweakability and got it even closer to what I was looking for. Then when I lowered the pup volume a bit it was all grins. I'm using the plexi which has the Blend rather than the Master Volume so will definitely be trying this out with the JCM.

Here's the preset I created and uploaded. Be curious to see what your thoughts are.

https://fuse.fender.com/mustangv2/prese ... hall-plexi

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Post subject: Re: Finally Got the Marshall the way I like it
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 3:27 pm
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Yep - I really didn't like the Marshall tones on the amp and was quite disappointed. I hardly used a single one of the Brit amps and I'm a Brit. Then I backed off the guitar volume a lot and hey presto sounds way better. I have a 30 yr old Ibanez with high output single coils and I just got used to leaving volume near the top.
That clipping LED would be a very good idea and could sell more amps as it would sound better in store.
Meh, I feel an upgrade to M III coming on..


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Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:21 pm
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captainc wrote:
jedi2b wrote:
Mustangs's input clipping is probably the worst outstanding defect on mustangs IMO.
I suggested Fender to add a simple feature to make all amp leds flash when input clipping was occurring but never got a response. Not a big deal unless you have powerful pickups, but still would be nice to have it.

For the Marshall and Vox emulations, try one or several of the following:
-max out "Master volume" setting (page two of settings on M3/4/5 or from Fuse Advanced amp settings) this will add more "power-tube" growl without adding any treble.
-add a Post simple-compressor (minimum or middle settings), or post overdrive (lower treble setting on overdrive). This will push the "power-tubes" even more
-try to increase the BIAS value, will add more grittiness without adding treble on both, "pre-amp tubes" and "power-tubes"

Actually I find that saturated Vox, Marshall and Hiwatt emulated tones are the best for alternative rock, as you can use the overdrive of the emulated amp instead of adding artificial sounding pedals in front of it.
I really love the saturation dynamics of the emulated models more than the "always-on" feeling of pedals.


The first Line 6 amp (Ax212) from 1997 has that feature. Input level adjustment knob and clip indicator. Very useful. I agree, I think the compressor post gain is key. At least it was for me. At first I had the simple comp pre gain but as soon as I moved to post gain It worked like a charm. I ended up changing it to the standard comp for more tweakability and got it even closer to what I was looking for. Then when I lowered the pup volume a bit it was all grins. I'm using the plexi which has the Blend rather than the Master Volume so will definitely be trying this out with the JCM.

Here's the preset I created and uploaded. Be curious to see what your thoughts are.

https://fuse.fender.com/mustangv2/prese ... hall-plexi

cheers



Hey, you actually nailed it! the Plexi was the one amp emulation I never used, but now I have your preset among my top 10 :)
Sounds particularly good with HB bridge pickup on my strat.


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Post subject: Re: Finally Got the Marshall the way I like it
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:29 pm
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An input gain switch would be the simplest fix to this issue. Something like this would work too and it would have the added advantage of not affecting the treble response like the guitar's volume knob does. - http://reverb.com/item/8974-saturnworks ... l-with-led


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Post subject: Re: Finally Got the Marshall the way I like it
Posted: Mon Oct 21, 2013 7:44 pm
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captainc wrote:
Orcatraz wrote:
Sounds like your pickups were overdriving the A/D converter.

O.

seems like its certainly the issue. Just odd that a PUP of only about 6k would do that. Doesn't seem to on the other models but will have to see if dialing back on the pickup volume on those improves the sound. A sweet spot is a sweet spot.

Cheers.


That does seem odd. I see that you're an ex-GT-6 user. I'm a GT-8 user and on that unit you can monitor the output levels of each effect module in the System Menu. Using this feature you can optimize the output level of each effect module to keep it from clipping the input of the next effect in the digital signal chain. I wonder if this is what's happening in your Mustang. Maybe it's not the A/D converter that's clipping but something after the amp model or maybe even the amp model's output itself is the culprit. Proper gain structure is sooooo much more critical in the digital domain.

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